Sunday, September 4, 2016

Liliaceae: [Wikidata] List generation input, Exploring creating a "Wikipedia-Wikidata List Generation" help page per your suggestion, Three lists as examples for understanding how this would work on both the Wikipedia and Wikidata sides, 1) a) a list of all 7,943+ languages (http://glottolog.org/glottolog/language) on the Wikipedia with b) WUaS's SUBJECT TEMPLATE, 2) a) a list of all CC MIT OCW courses (http://ocw.mit.edu/) in 7 languages (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/translated-courses/) on the Wikipedia side, with b) a WUaS Course Catalog, 3) a) a list of potential matriculating and open students (at top here - http://worlduniversityandschool.org/) on the WUaS MediaWiki sidehttps://web.archive.org/web/20150324001526/http://worlduniversityandschool.org/mediawiki-1.24.1/index.php?title=Main_Page - paralleling the Wikipedia side) with b) how they might query the above SUBJECT TEMPLATE and WUaS Course Catalog +


Hi Léa, Jan, Gerard, Erika, Markus and Wikidatans, 

Thanks very much for the clarification, Jan. 

I'll explore creating a "Wikipedia-Wikidata List Generation" help page per your suggestion, and link it to - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_generation_input (and possibly to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List too) - and possibly with video tutorials.

The three lists as examples - and for my own understanding of how this would work on both the Wikipedia and Wikidata sides - I'd like to begin with would include 

1)
a) a list of all 7,943+ languages (http://glottolog.org/glottolog/language) on the Wikipedia with b) WUaS's SUBJECT TEMPLATE (http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/SUBJECT_TEMPLATE) on the Wikidata / SPARQL side 

2)
a) a list of all CC MIT OCW courses (http://ocw.mit.edu/) in 7 languages (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/translated-courses/) on the Wikipedia side, with b) a WUaS Course Catalog (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VRHhXYsk-V9lvSh5onaU2hnEhwoapSN7HyBK1P09LIk/edit) on the Wikidata side

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a) a list of potential matriculating and open students (at top here - http://worlduniversityandschool.org/) on the WUaS MediaWiki sidehttps://web.archive.org/web/20150324001526/http://worlduniversityandschool.org/mediawiki-1.24.1/index.php?title=Main_Page - paralleling the Wikipedia side) with b) how they might query the above SUBJECT TEMPLATE and WUaS Course Catalog +

And from these and in conversation with this Wikidata community, I hope to be able to extrapolate how list generation in Wikipedia/Wikidata works, and from this develop a Wikipedia/Wikidata help page for this for others. 

Thank you. 

Kind regards, Scott

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Hi Scott,
Thanks for your suggestion!

I'd love to have more good information on using Wikidata. I assume, though, that putting it to the Scenarios for List generation input maybe not the best place (although the name suggests input in general, and I am guilty of not choosing a more specific title!)

The scenarios currently concern sharing the (real life) workflows of people who generate lists, so it may run counter the idea of suggesting/teaching workflows there (although a beginners might find them to be useful examples!)

If you want to create such a help page, feel free to link them on the List generation Input page (as said above, the title might suggest such content).
Kind Regards,
 Jan 

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Hi Jan, Léa, Markus and Wikidatans,

Thanks for your email, Jan. I'd really like to learn how to add short or very long lists to a) Wikipedia and b) Wikidata and c) together, and in multiple, comparable languages - and help create a help page for this, as well as focus Wikipedia / Wikidata video tutorials for this. I'd also like to learn how to add sub lists of these. 

While https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_generation_input/Scenario_C_splitting might go a little bit in the right direction, I'm mainly interested in how I and a help page could clarify adding new lists at this point to Wikipedia and Wikidata. 

In terms of SHORT LISTS, and as examples for me, referring to your questions, I'd like to learn how to add to Wikidata or Wikipedia short lists such as CC MIT OCW in Chinese - http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/translated-courses/traditional-chinese/ (with 120 courses) - and in Spanish - http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/translated-courses/spanish/ (with 94 courses) (and in its other 6 languages - http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/translated-courses/)  . See too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCourseWare.

I'm also interested in learnin to add an already existing list in Wikipedia to Wikidata eg CC Yale OYC (http://oyc.yale.edu/) (with 42 courses, as well as the links within each course, as possible sublists) to Yale OYC in Wikidata - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1091983 since there's already a list of Yale OYC in Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Yale_Courses).


In terms of LONG LISTS, and more complex wiki list-adding (by wiki I mean by any end users from help pages, with help from Wikidatans) - thank you, Jan - here are three examples -  

a)
Adding Wikitionary lists to Glottolog list in Wikipedia - 

If I had successfully added a list of all 7,943 languages from CC Glottolog to CC Wikipedia, I would then like to be able to add lists of CC Wiktionary entries to each of these 8k languages (and perhaps in conjunction with MediaWiki Content Translation - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation - for new kinds of Wikipedia / WMF / Wikidata translation). Re these two lists together, I'd like too to be able to add furthermore lists of a) whole written words, b) parts/syllables of written words, c) spoken whole words d) phonemes - spoken parts or units of words to each of the 358 Wikipedia languages (of the 7,943 languages). And how would this work on a help page on the Wikidata side? 

b) 
Adding cellular level lists (re potentially long lists)

I'd like to be able to add lists of species - and especially those that are ambiguous such as unicellular organisms and not in Wikipedia (which could be very long lists), e.g. 



c) 
Adding nano (very very small or atomic level - and potentially ginormous lists, too) level

How best to plan for how-to-wiki-add lists at the nano level - and add this information to a help page (for WUaS/Wikidata brain research, example)?


d)
Does
cellular (neuronal) and nano (atomic?)
refer to something like the possibility to create lists of lists?

In part, yes - in that lists of lists would be "largest lists" of an item. 

Here are the three help pages that we've shared so far - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_generation_input and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_generation_input/Scenario_C_splitting - but none of them seems to help me add a list to Wikipedia easily. (Am I reading these correctly?)

Could we also add to such a possible new "Wikipedia-Wikidata List Generation" help page per your suggestion (and my previous email in this thread), something along the lines of "3 tutorial videos about Wikidata: an intro to Wikidata, how to edit Wikidata and Wikidata Sparql Query Tutorial by Ewan McAndrew, Navino Evans and Sean McBirnie" which were just shared in this weeks Wikidata new. I haven't watched these in full yet - Ewan ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=GFh9gVUgbuA and and ) - so if I'm missing something about Wikipedia list-adding and Wikidata list-adding per my email above please let me know. Thank you, Ewan, Navino and Sean! Wikidata conferences from the past may be great source material for some of these questions. 
In terms of making wiki-list-adding very easy with voice, and possibly to add "how in voice" to a developing Wikidata help page for "Wikipedia-Wikidata List Generation" (if there are / could be a few voice steps, for example), I tried again asking my Android voice system, for example, on my cell phone to "Please add to Wikidata a list of Creative Commons' licensed Yale Open Yale Courses " - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1091983 and at the top of the list was another Wikidata help page - https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:About_data - but no list was added yet :).

(A few months ago I mentioned what I was able to achieve in voice in adding lists to Wikipedia / Wikidata as well).

Markus and Léa, how please would I begin please to add lists of a) Wikipedia/Wikidata languages with WUaS's SUBJECT TEMPLATE and b) add lists of MIT OCW in 7 languages and Yale OYC to Wikidata with a WUaS Course Catalog and c) a list of matriculated students/open learners/teachers with the above? WUaS would like to start reaching out for student applicants to accrediting WUaS this autumn.  

Thank you. 

Kind Regards, 
Scott

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Hi Jan and Wikidatans,

Thanks very much for you good ideas and sharing of related resources, Jan. 

In terms of planning for list generation and "lists of lists," or very very large lists, at the cellular or neuronal level, for example, what if every cell in a human brain could somehow have an unique biological identifier (possibly trillions of cells), with enough Wikidata information associated with each biologically marked cell, such that it could inform a film-realistic 3D interactive group build-able wiki virtual world (something like Google Street View with time slider, with OpenSim, conceptually - but very precise) and planned for all 7,943+ languages - at the neuronal level (with a computational model of the neuron corresponding with a biological model of the neuron for developing AI). How would I add such a list, or how would I add how to add this to a Wikidata help page, or create a video tutorial about this?

Similarly, what if every atom in the universe had an unique atomic identifier ... how would such enormous lists work in Wikidata - and in relation to biological engineering, as well a modeling in a film-realistic virtual universe some years' out? 

Thank you.

Kind regards, Scott

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Hi Jan and Wikidatans,

Thanks very much for you good ideas and sharing of related resources, Jan. 

In terms of planning for list generation and "lists of lists," or very very large lists, at the cellular or neuronal level, for example, what if every cell in a human brain could somehow have an unique biological identifier (possibly trillions of cells), with enough Wikidata information associated with each biologically marked cell, such that it could inform a film-realistic 3D interactive group build-able wiki virtual world (something like Google Street View with time slider, with OpenSim, conceptually - but very precise) and planned for all 7,943+ languages - at the neuronal level (with a computational model of the neuron corresponding with a biological model of the neuron for developing AI). How would I add such a list, or how would I add how to add this to a Wikidata help page, or create a video tutorial about this?

Similarly, what if every atom in the universe had an unique atomic identifier ... how would such enormous lists work in Wikidata - and in relation to biological engineering, as well a modeling in a film-realistic virtual universe some years' out? 

Thank you, 
Kind regards, Scott


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