Thursday, December 13, 2018

Arizona Painted Desert: Navajo belief through experiencing / listening to Navajo music, and thus entering into a kind of Navajo world view / way of seeing things, Nontheist Friends (NtFs) / Atheist Quakers, Am hoping similarly we can share in the Harbin Hot Springs' experience in #RealisticVirtualHarbin, soak in the warm pool, Do Watsu, ... Interesting Finnish interview about an Universal Basic Income here which I'm continuing to explore in a variety of blog posts including and which would have helped Native Americans much if they had had this in American history - and perhaps many around the world today even, Mentions in passing possibly including mental health services in such Universal Basic Income projects (of which there are quite a few - called experiments - and possibly echoing Gandhi's Experiments with Truth), and which is something I'd be interested in facilitating as well re World University and School ... and possibly with an UBI too


Navajo belief through experiencing / listening to Navajo music / Native Americans



Hi Pamela, Bill and NtFs (Nontheist Friends / Atheist Quakers),

I found this article by David McAllester -  https://www.jstor.org/stable/3398792 - which it seems could even open a way to Navajo belief through experiencing / listening to Navajo music, and thus entering into a kind of Navajo world view / way of seeing things. I'm wondering too, given the time David was active as a Wesleyan Anthropologist and Ethnomusicologist (and also a Friend), and a photo I saw of him, whether he was a bit of a hippy as well. I'd suspect you'd have some insight into this Bill. Hippies found their way into various cultures quite remarkably, and somehow from the inside, in a way akin to Anthropologists, but perhaps unique to what emerged in the 1960s and '70s.

Am hoping we can study this and gain access to a variety of Native Americans' beliefs by learning about Native Americans, for example, via https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Native_Americans and https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Native_American_Languages ... and even in a realistic virtual earth into which we could convert film into avatar bots / an interactive 3D virtual world ... and interact with Native Americans / talk with them (am thinking Google Street View with time slider / Maps / Earth / Translate and with avatar bots) ... share music with these realistic Native American avatar bots / share beliefs with them ... and in a brand new form of anthropology / history / and even Friendly / Quakerly / NtF engagement with different peoples.

While I created some Tweets about this here too -

https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1072711203070210049
Languages-World Univ: https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1072711023038066688
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1072711364953567232

Am hoping similarly we can share in the Harbin Hot Springs' experience in #RealisticVirtualHarbin, soak in the warm pool, Do Watsu https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Watsu_-_water_shiatsu - & into which#RealisticVirtualEarth we could convert #Filmto3D avatar bots to hang out in pool area/talk/share & make music together:)



https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1072712325323345920 (Harbin Hot Springs is my actual-virtual ethnographic field site).

I'd be interested in adding David McAllester's research, books and music / ethnomusicology as a resource to WUaS as well, or welcoming others  to wiki-add this, perhaps graduate student instructors at WUaS, for example.

Interesting Finnish interview about an Universal Basic Income here - https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1072561078662504448 - which I'm continuing to explore in a variety of blog posts including - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/12/earth-lithium-ion-battery-innovation.html - and which would have helped Native Americans much if they had had this in American history - and perhaps many around the world today even. The Finnish interview also mentions in passing possibly including mental health services in such Universal Basic Income projects (of which there are quite a few - called experiments - and possibly echoing Gandhi's Experiments with Truth), and which is something I'd be interested in facilitating as well re World University and School ... and possibly with an UBI too (with much more information about this in recent blog posts).

Thanks for bringing up Native American beliefs and David McAllester's research, Pamela and Bill. I'm an appreciator of the excellence of Wesleyan's academics and its ethnomusicology program in particular ... and both of which are something I'd like to facilitate in a friendly way at WUaS as well - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Ethnomusicology.

Friendly cheers, Scott

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Hi NtFs (Nontheist Friends),

Wow, - interesting. 

Thanks so much for your NtF "plain speech," Anita ... and Pamela - and your affirmation of morality, Anita. (I hear echoes in your email of Nt-Friend / ntf George L. Alexander MD, psychiatrist and Lacanian psychoanalyst, and family friend, who passed away a few years ago, while living at Kendall-Crosslands; he didn't publish much, but here's an article of his from Friends' Journal -http://www.friendsjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/emember/downloads/2008/HC12-51063.pdf - on the separation of Church and State). 

Brian - thanks for your visions of Native American thinking ... how both we and Native Americans experienced and lived this are questions perhaps both Friends and Anthropologists look at socioculturally ... and with ongoing thinking about modes of representation. 

Bill - thanks for your great email re https://alchetron.com/David-P-McAllester and https://i1.wp.com/soundmattersthesemblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mcallester-2005.jpg?ssl=1 ... Am blogging a bit about this - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/12/arizona-painted-desert-navajo-belief.html - and just added the 'Hippy' label to this post. More with time about your fascinating email. :)

Re questions of mental health and NtF informed World University and School, am adding below this recent G+ posting which emerges from an email to a Quaker MD in SFFM ... https://plus.google.com/u/4/+MeetingWorldUniversityFriends/posts/B1Mu9fvmWE2 ... (and which is also here - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/12/rosy-faced-lovebird-friendly-informed.html).

Zach, "Teachings from the American Earth: Indian Religion and Philosophy" looks really great - thanks. 

Am hoping we could, when we'd like, jump out of these email conversations, and into a realistic virtual earth, simply by clicking on a link, something like this ~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ and go to many of these 'places' we've explored in this email, including Native American spaces (self-represented) and your, Anita:

but for myself, I find that religious worship is completely unnecessary.  I find other ways of nurturing my spirit:  nature, art, beauty, color, solitude, reading, photography.

I have also let go of religious beliefs.  It has taken a long time--many, many years.  I moved from trying to believe in a God, to accepting that I did not believe in a God, to acknowledging I was (am) an atheist, to trying to understand the meaning of spirituality, to not thinking about such things any more.  Morality, however, is important to me.

 (and am hoping to facilitate this as well coding-wise re World University and School's wiki pages - with books and music for understanding and learning about Native American beliefs, as well as a realistic virtual earth for 'time travel' vis-a-vis 'culture travel' - again thinking Google Street View with TIME SLIDER for anthropology and history, and literally everything actually - i.e. brain and dream cognitive science). 

Friendly cheers, 
Scott
- https://amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity

something like this ~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg
in a realistic virtual earth, (accessible from here https://twitter.com/HarbinBook and http://bit.ly/HarbinBook). 



Friendly-informed (NtF too) World University & School seeks to develop online Medical Schools in all ~200 countries' official languages and re psychiatry as well - https://plus.google.com/u/4/+MeetingWorldUniversityFriends/posts/RW4gJgq9pAt Am curious if WUaS could emerge out of Friends' Hospital in Philadelphia in these regards, in addition to Stanford Medicine potentially (https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1071894458461958144).

Minding the Light, Scott

Scott MacLeod - https://twitter.com/scottmacleod

World Univ and Sch Twitter - http://twitter.com/WorldUnivandSch

Languages - World Univ - http://twitter.com/sgkmacleod

WUaS Press - https://twitter.com/WUaSPress

“Naked Harbin Ethnography” book (in Academic Press at WUaS) - http://twitter.com/HarbinBook

(OpenBand (Berkeley) - https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand ) )





On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 8:55 PM Scott MacLeod <worlduniversityandschool@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pamela, Bill and NtFs,

I found this article by David McAllester -  https://www.jstor.org/stable/3398792 - which it seems could even open a way to Navajo belief through experiencing / listening to Navajo music, and thus entering into a kind of Navajo world view / way of seeing things. I'm wondering too, given the time David was active as a Wesleyan Anthropologist and Ethnomusicologist (and also a Friend), and a photo I saw of him, whether he was a bit of a hippy as well. I'd suspect you'd have some insight into this Bill. Hippies found their way into various cultures quite remarkably, and somehow from the inside, in a way akin to Anthropologists, but perhaps unique to what emerged in the 1960s and '70s.

Am hoping we can study this and gain access to a variety of Native Americans' beliefs by learning about Native Americans, for example, via https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Native_Americans and https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Native_American_Languages ... and even in a realistic virtual earth into which we could convert film into avatar bots / an interactive 3D virtual world ... and interact with Native Americans / talk with them (am thinking Google Street View with time slider / Maps / Earth / Translate and with avatar bots) ... share music with these realistic Native American avatar bots / share beliefs with them ... and in a brand new form of anthropology / history / and even Friendly / Quakerly / NtF engagement with different peoples. 

While I created some Tweets about this here too - 

Am hoping similarly we can share in the Harbin Hot Springs' experience in #RealisticVirtualHarbin, soak in the warm pool, Do Watsu https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Watsu_-_water_shiatsus - & into which#RealisticVirtualEarth we could convert #Filmto3D avatar bots to hang out in pool area/talk/share & make music together:)

https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1072712325323345920 (Harbin Hot Springs is my actual-virtual ethnographic field site).

I'd be interested in adding David McAllester's research, books and music / ethnomusicology as a resource to WUaS as well, or welcoming others  to wiki-add this, perhaps graduate student instructors at WUaS, for example. 

Interesting Finnish interview about an Universal Basic Income here - https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1072561078662504448 - which I'm continuing to explore in a variety of blog posts including - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/12/earth-lithium-ion-battery-innovation.html - and which would have helped Native Americans much if they had had this in American history - and perhaps many around the world today even. The Finnish interview also mentions in passing possibly including mental health services in such Universal Basic Income projects (of which there are quite a few - called experiments - and possibly echoing Gandhi's Experiments with Truth), and which is something I'd be interested in facilitating as well re World University and School ... and possibly with an UBI too (with much more information about this in recent blog posts).

Thanks for bringing up Native American beliefs and David McAllester's research, Pamela and Bill. I'm an appreciator of the excellence of Wesleyan's academics and its ethnomusicology program in particular ... and both of which are something I'd like to facilitate in a friendly way at WUaS as well - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Ethnomusicology .

Friendly cheers, Scott




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:50 PM Bill ...  wrote:
I have a little experience, not direct, with religious beliefs amongst native Americans. It comes from my experiences when I was in college.

I took an anthropology course from David McAllester, who was a professor at Wesleyan University where I was an undergraduate. David's interest was music, and he did research with the Navajo people in particular, traveling every summer to the Southwest to record music and work with the people there. A good deal of the music he recorded was religious in nature, and in particular involved Navajo healing ceremonies, which used a lot of music. There was not a lot of "belief" involved, as I recall, but it was concentrating on healing people who needed it.

We became very close with David and we would visit him and his wife almost every summer when we travelled from Texas to visit our family in Vermont. He was a very dear friend (and Friend!).

Bill


On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:17:45 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
Thanks to John and Brian for their wonderful responses to my post. Sorry it's been so long in responding.  I can only handle so much spiritual/religious conversation before I have to shut down from the overdose of negativity I feel when talking about religious beliefs. I wonder how many others have looked at native American religious beliefs? They are obviously not all exactly the same but they seem to mostly have the same underlying thought that worship (as Christians and former Christians know it) is completely unnecessary. Does anyone else see this?

Pamela


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