Tuesday, April 14, 2020

Emu eggs: How best in 1 multidimensional #RealisticVirtualEarthForRobotics to combine Google StreetView with #TIMESLIDER on their servers, w #MINECRAFT for Lego on MIT's servers with #Neons as #RealisticArtificialHumans with SL for group build-ability with #Scratch each block a Lego brick? * * * "[Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project" * Am staying tuned for CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch's planned online medical schools - and online teaching hospitals - planned in each of all ~200 nation states' official and main languages, for the practice of online medicine. (CC-4 WUaS donated itself to Wikidata in 2015 for co-development)


How best in 1 multidimensional #RealisticVirtualEarthForRobotics to combine Google StreetView with #TIMESLIDER on their servers, w #MINECRAFT for Lego on MIT's servers with #Neons as #RealisticArtificialHumans with SL for group build-ability with #Scratch each block a Lego brick?

https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1250114087259787266?s=20
https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1250115102952419328?s=20
https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1250116573915840518?s=20
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1250117356958842880?s=20
https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1250115876012969984?s=20
https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1250149124466339840?s=20



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and with Brick Street View and Samsung Neons too?

How best in 1 multidimensional #RealisticVirtualEarthForRobotics to combine Google StreetView w #TIMESLIDER on their servers, w #MINECRAFT for Lego on MIT's servers with #SamsungNeons as #RealisticArtificialHumans with SL for group build-ability with #Scratch w #BrickStreetView?



https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1250179189627432961?s=20
https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1250180408374743041?s=20
https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1250185568031395840?s=20
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1250186513955950593?s=20
https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1250186703978893312?s=20
https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1250186871503642624?s=20
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1250187619373178880?s=20
https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1250188764934103040?s=20
https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1250189252769374209?s=20



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https://twitter.com/LEGO_Education/status/1250038695912185856?s=20




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[Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project


Hi Denny, Markus, and Wikimedians / Wikidatans,

Thanks so much for this momentous next step in Wikipedia & Wikidata's ~300 languages, and for this great overview "Keynote by Denny Vrandečić at SWAT4HCLS 2019"

HERIOT-WATT UNIVERSITY, EDINBURGH CAMPUS
Keynote by Denny Vrandečić at SWAT4HCLS 2019
https://youtu.be/yzVA7YLwhTE  & thanks too for mentioning the evolution of Wikipedia's medical content (at 21 mins.) & the genetics' focus re GeneDB (at 22:30 ). Appreciating also your approach to Wikidata to Wikipedia in ~300 languages regarding the Constructors, Content, Renderers' approach (from 34 mins to 39 mins).  

Looks like Wikipedia is developing the next big multilingual step, - and for the 146 languages in Wikipedia with less than 10 editors in their communities (at 42 mins) out of its 300 languages.

Thank you so much Wikidata founder (now at Google) Denny Vrandečić !

Best regards, 
Scott

PS. Am staying tuned for CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch's planned online medical schools - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/World_University_Medical_School - and online teaching hospitals - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Hospital - planned in each of all ~200 nation states' official and main languages, for the practice of online medicine. (CC-4 WUaS donated itself to Wikidata in 2015 for co-development, and received the WUaS Miraheze MediaWiki in 2017, but they're not yet interoperable).



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[Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project


As some of you know, I have been working on the idea of a multilingual
Wikipedia for a few years now. Two other publications on this are here, I
have bothered you with mails about it here previously too:

https://research.google/pubs/pub48057/

https://wikipedia20.pubpub.org/pub/vyf7ksah

I've also been giving talks about the topic in several places about this
idea, some of them have also been recorded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzVA7YLwhTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiJ6E9sG6U&list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2fji-CwqEDRJpZuf23wevrq&index=13

I gathered some awesome feedback in those few years (also from some members
of this list, thank you!), and I also implemented a few prototypes trying
out the idea, learning a lot from that.

All of this has helped to sharpen the idea and come up with a more concrete
proposal. In short, the proposal is that we do a two-step approach: first,
allow for capturing Wikipedia content in an abstract notation, and second,
allow for creating functions that translate this abstract notation into
natural language (For simplicity, I gave this two steps names, Abstract
Wikipedia for step 1, and Wikilambda for step 2. I realize that both names
are not perfect, but that is just one of the many things that we can figure
out together on the way).

I wrote up this proposal in a paper, which I uploaded to my Website almost
two weeks ago, and I also submitted it to Arxiv. And as soon as it was
published on Arxiv, I wanted to share it with you and see what you folks
think (I wanted to wait for it as Arxiv would allow the URLs to remains
table - my Website has gone down before and might so again).

https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.04733

The new proposal is much more concrete than the previous proposals (and
therefore there is much more to criticize). Also, obviously, nothing of
this is set in stone, and just like the names, I am very much looking
forward to hear suggestions for how to improve the whole thing, and I will
blatantly steal every good idea and proposal. I am not even sure what a
good venue for this discussion is, I guess, eventually it should be on
Meta?, but also about that I would like to hear proposals.

Abstract Wikipedia is a proposed extension to Wikidata that would capture
the content next to the Wikidata items. Think of it as a new namespace,
where we could create, maintain, and collaborate on the abstract content.
Similar to the Wikidata-bridge, there should be a way to allow
contributions from the Wikipedias to flow back without too much friction.
The individual Wikipedias - and I cannot stress this enough - have the
choice to use some or any or all or none of the content from Abstract
Wikipedia, but I most definitely do not expect the content of the current
Wikipedias to be replaced by this. In fact, I have no doubt that any decent
article in any language Wikipedia will remain superior to the outcome of
the proposed new architecture by far. This is a proposal for the places
where the current system left us with gaps, not a proposal to turn the
parts that are already brilliant today dull and terrible tomorrow.

Wikilambda is a proposed new Wikimedia project that allows us to share in a
new form of knowledge assets, functions. You can think of it as similar to
Modules or Templates, but a bit extended, with places for tests, different
languages, evaluation, and also for all kind of functions, not only those
that are immediately useful for one of the Wikimedia projects, and most
importantly, shared among the projects. So one of the first goals would be
to increasingly allow fo a place to have global templates, another idea
that has been discussed and asked for for a very long time. Wikilambda,
just as Wikidata, is expected to start as a project supporting the
immediate needs of the sister projects, and over time to grow to a project
that stands on its own merits as well.

We don't really have an effective process for starting new projects, so I
am trying to follow a similar path that we took for Wikidata back then. And
back then it all started with Markus Krötzsch, me and others talking about
the idea to anyone who would listen until everyone was bored of hearing it,
trying out prototypes, and then talking about it even more, and improving
all of it constantly based on your feedback. And then making increasingly
concrete proposals until we managed to show some kind of consensus from the
communities, you, and the Foundation to actually do it. And then, well, do
it.

So, I've done some of the talking, with researchers, with the public, with
some of you, and also with folks at the Foundation, to figure out what next
steps could be, and how this can be made to work. Here's a more concrete
proposal. Now I am here to see whether we can find consensus and be bold. I
want to hear from you. I want to hear what you think what the right place
is to discuss this (here, this list? Another mailing list? Meta? Wikidata?
Some Telegram or Facebook group? (OK, I was joking about the latter)).
Which parts of the proposal are good and which need improvement? Where is
more detail or clarification needed to allow for a meaningful discussion?

Just as with Wikipedia and Wikidata and our other projects, this is a crazy
idea at first. Maybe even more crazy than our other projects. And the only
way there is a chance of us being successful is, if, eventually, thousands
of us work together on it. The only way this worked in the past is by being
open, start out collaboratively, discuss the path forward, and work towards
creating the project together.

Stay safe,
Denny


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Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com via lists.wikimedia.org 

Tue, Apr 14, 2:25 PM (1 day ago)
to Wikimedia
Dear Denny,

Thank you for your well written piece with some very intriguing ideas. I
have read most of it, and I must confess that I have not fully understand
everything about keys and contractors. Maybe I am not exactly the target
group.

I found it very sympathetic to read your own scepticisms, and obviously we
both have read the same book by Umberto Eco. :-)

Single point of failure: I am not that worried about that, according to the
"many-eyball-principle".

Single language wiki: This seems to me the biggest problem if your new wiki
(wikis) is supposed to be a place where everybody can contribute,
regardless of the native language. You think that "detailed discussions and
debates" are less likely (in the beginning). Well, for any meaningful
participation, would'nt it be important that everybody can communicate with
everybody? Whether we would use one or several languages in the wiki, the
language problem would be a limitation of the collaboration.

By the way, I think that a big part of the negative attitude, that many
(German) Wikipedians have towards Wikidata, is based on language barriers.
Another reason is that Wikipedians have build up their own status within
Wikipedia, and when they come to Wikidata, they have to start from the
beginning to build up status. The same problems we would we with regard to
("normal") Wikipedia on the one hand, and Abstract Wikipedia and
Wikilambda, on the other hand, I guess? So these wikis would be in future
linked to each other very much, but the different communities might not go
along well.

Reducing knowledge diversity: I agree that that is not so much the problem,
as the Wikipedians will decide which content to take over and which not.
What I would like to see: That as a reader, I can get an article (e.g. "San
Francisco") in different versions: a long one, a short one, one interesting
for people who live in SF, etc. In general, more modularity than now would
be great.

"We must make sure that it does not become too hard to contribute": Yes,
that is a big problem (see above). I like the idea of "outsourcing" skills;
that the people of local Wikipedia can ask people on Abstract WP and
Wikilambda. You would need enough volunteers on AWP-WL to help; and you
would need at least some people on local WP who can communicate its wishes
to the helpers on AWP-WL. For very small WP communities, that would be an
enourmous challenge.

My personal approach would be the following, based on experiences with
German language encyclopedia for children, Klexikon. It would be great for
small Wikipedias to find a corpus of ca. 3000-5000 encyclopedic articles.
Well chosen by relevance for at least most parts of the world. In
easy-to-understand English, not too long, with a good strcuture, written in
a way that you can easily translate and adapt them for your own language.
(Many people will now say: "Simple English Wikipedia already exists", but I
think it is not there yet.)

Those 3000-5000 articles would be a wonderful encyclopedia already. The
local Wikipedians would enrich the content then with some hundred or
thousand articles of their own. In my experience, you do not need millions
of articles to fulfill the knowledge hunger of most readers.

I think that your "content translation framework" approach goes a little
bit into this direction. Part of the framework could be to make suggestions
about "localization". For example, the article about "Dogs" could have a
note saying: "After this paragraph, you could add some sentences with
regard to dogs in your own country/region."

Kind regards,
Ziko
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Elevator pitch:

Many Wikipedia language editions have large gaps in knowledge. We want to
close these gaps by allowing to create and maintain content in one place
and allow the Wikipedias to use this content if they choose so, instead of
doing that in each of the Wikipedia language editions individually. This
will allow more people to access and create more knowledge in more
languages in the Wikipedias.

In order to do this, we need to represent the content in a way that can be
translated to many different natural languages with high fidelity. We do
this by introducing a new project that allows to create, maintain,
catalogue and evaluate functions as a new form of knowledge the communities
work on. This will allow completely new use cases, and allow more people to
share in more forms of knowledge than today.

 Denny


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to Wikimedia
Denny, and Wikimedians, 

How to maintain the diversity of contributions, edits, individual knowledge generators / writers, et al, on the human side of Wikipedia, by many different language communities if these were to grow, I wonder? Is this already part of your proposal, which I haven't come across yet? Thank you for this great development!

Cheers, 
Scott

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Denny Vrandečić

Apr 14, 2020, 6:24 PM (1 day ago)
to me
Thank you for your kind words and encouragements!


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Dear Ziko,

thank you for your thoughtful comments. My answers are inline.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:25 PM Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Denny,
>
> Thank you for your well written piece with some very intriguing ideas. I
> have read most of it, and I must confess that I have not fully understand
> everything about keys and contractors. Maybe I am not exactly the target
> group.
>
> I found it very sympathetic to read your own scepticisms, and obviously we
> both have read the same book by Umberto Eco. :-)
>
I really love Eco's book on the topic, "The Search for a Perfect Language",
and I can recommend everyone to read it. It is sometimes a bit hard to find.


> Single point of failure: I am not that worried about that, according to the
> "many-eyball-principle".
>
> Single language wiki: This seems to me the biggest problem if your new wiki
> (wikis) is supposed to be a place where everybody can contribute,
> regardless of the native language. You think that "detailed discussions and
> debates" are less likely (in the beginning). Well, for any meaningful
> participation, would'nt it be important that everybody can communicate with
> everybody? Whether we would use one or several languages in the wiki, the
> language problem would be a limitation of the collaboration.
>
>I actually do not think that this is crucial from the immediate beginning.
I mean, it obviously would be great if there was a way for all contributors
to be able to discuss everything from the start, but the lack of a solution
for this issue didn't stop us from creating Commons, Meta, nor Wikidata -
and two of these are among the most active projects we have.

If there is a "edit-war" like situation between contributors of different
language background, where the lack of a common language prevents a
productive discussion, there is always the option that they simply override
that part in their local Wikipedias with local content. Don't forget that
the content from Abstract Wikipedia is only used if a local community
decides to do so. So such disagreements can be avoided, even if not always
resolved.



> By the way, I think that a big part of the negative attitude, that many
> (German) Wikipedians have towards Wikidata, is based on language barriers.
>

If this were true, I would expect the same attitude from many other wikis
that do not speak English. But many other Wikipedians have embraced it. And
in fact, even among the German communities I have sensed much more openness
to collaboration and much more understanding between the projects in the
recent years than it used to be.

In short, I do not think that it was the language barrier that caused the
issues that have been there. After all, I have the feeling that the
Wikipedia with the strongest opposition to a measured used of Wikidata is
not the German, but the English one - and there the language barrier is
rather small, give or take the propensity for using Q-prefixed numbers in
otherwise understandable text.



> Another reason is that Wikipedians have build up their own status within
> Wikipedia, and when they come to Wikidata, they have to start from the
> beginning to build up status. The same problems we would we with regard to
> ("normal") Wikipedia on the one hand, and Abstract Wikipedia and
> Wikilambda, on the other hand, I guess? So these wikis would be in future
> linked to each other very much, but the different communities might not go
> along well.
>
>Yes, this is correct. This is already the case for our projects, and in
fact, often also for the communities that have formed within the projects.



> Reducing knowledge diversity: I agree that that is not so much the problem,
> as the Wikipedians will decide which content to take over and which not.
> What I would like to see: That as a reader, I can get an article (e.g. "San
> Francisco") in different versions: a long one, a short one, one interesting
> for people who live in SF, etc. In general, more modularity than now would
> be great.
>
>I agree, that would be quite awesome. And whereas I don't think this to be
an immediate goal, I do think that such a system will become *much* easier
when we have the content in an abstract format and can do summarizations or
choose different renderers for different audiences. For example, there
could be different renderer that is more suitable for children of different
ages, which keeps the readability-level in mind, or renderers geared toward
more lay audiences and others towards specialists. Some of these are easier
to do than others, but I see us working on these by 2024.



> "We must make sure that it does not become too hard to contribute": Yes,
> that is a big problem (see above). I like the idea of "outsourcing" skills;
> that the people of local Wikipedia can ask people on Abstract WP and
> Wikilambda. You would need enough volunteers on AWP-WL to help; and you
> would need at least some people on local WP who can communicate its wishes
> to the helpers on AWP-WL. For very small WP communities, that would be an
> enourmous challenge.
>
Agreed. Both Wikidata and English Wikipedia have managed to create such
environments to help contributors, be it the Teahouse or the "Ask a SPARQL
query" page. I very much hope that we will foster a community that will
live this spirit.

But I do think that this project is more complicated than any of the other
projects we currently have, and I think that it would be important to
initially provide this kind of support also coming from the development
team. I hope that from this seed, a community-owned support system will
grow.


>
> My personal approach would be the following, based on experiences with
> German language encyclopedia for children, Klexikon. It would be great for
> small Wikipedias to find a corpus of ca. 3000-5000 encyclopedic articles.
> Well chosen by relevance for at least most parts of the world. In
> easy-to-understand English, not too long, with a good strcuture, written in
> a way that you can easily translate and adapt them for your own language.
> (Many people will now say: "Simple English Wikipedia already exists", but I
> think it is not there yet.)


> Those 3000-5000 articles would be a wonderful encyclopedia already. The
> local Wikipedians would enrich the content then with some hundred or
> thousand articles of their own. In my experience, you do not need millions
> of articles to fulfill the knowledge hunger of most readers.
>
I see and understand your approach, but respectfully disagree. I do not
think that, whoever runs the development of this project, should be in the
business of guiding the content creation of the project. I firmly believe
that creating the content and deciding on which content to create should be
solely in the hand of the community.

Having said that, I also will absolutely welcome community members from
initiating a project where they decide on a corpus of say 3000-5000
encyclopaedic articles chosen by relevance for at least most parts of the
world, and make it their aim to create a good structure for these and adapt
them to their own languages. In fact, I hope that people who have
experience with running such projects will become contributors and do that.
I do think that this would be a promising early strategy to create content.

But such a project obviously should not be exclusive.


>
> I think that your "content translation framework" approach goes a little
> bit into this direction. Part of the framework could be to make suggestions
> about "localization". For example, the article about "Dogs" could have a
> note saying: "After this paragraph, you could add some sentences with
> regard to dogs in your own country/region."
>
Whereas I would love to claim that the content translation framework is
mine, it very much isn't. There is a wonderful team at the Foundation that
has created and maintained this over years, and they recently had a rather
stormy uptick in translations, having lead to more than 600,000 translated
articles. I cannot praise their hard work enough, and I am thankful to them
for having enabled so many people to create so much content in so many
languages already.


>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko
>

Thank you for your comments, and stay safe,
Denny




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Scott MacLeod
10:14 AM (54 minutes ago)
to Connor, Roddy, Andrew, Scott

Thanks, Connor, Roddy and Andrew, And Finlay

Thanks for your email. I've removed you from this email thread, Finlay. (Am waiting to see how NPC lesson developments work out, Connor).

Inspired also by the great piper PM Stuart Liddell, and thinking of creating PHYSICAL albums after my first upcoming "Honey in the Bag" SSP album, I see that Stuart doesn't list many web recordings - http://www.stuartliddell.com/about - WITH just something on the Web here from 2016 - http://www.stuartliddell.com/music. With my significant focus on the virtual or the digital (I teach a course about the I.T. revolution - http://worlduniversityandschool.org/InfoTechNetworkSocGlobalUniv.html) ... I still see a place for the physical, like a CD, ahead ... and especially in countries like Scotland and all around the world (where the SF Bay Area might think in terms of a musical recording online only, for example) ... since I think the 1) virtual/digital and 2) the physical will continue to play a significant role in music recordings into the future - but in what ways newly? ... There's an emergent opportunity for defining this (and even brainstorming-wise in the WUaS Press - https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1249451894725959680?s=20, for example, and with blockchain ledger etc).

Thank you.

All the best, Scott

--
- Scott MacLeod
- http://scottmacleod.com



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Hi Ma,

Will keep my eyes open for Pacific trillium when I head out soon for walk ...  did you see any trillium today?

Good conversation with Petros Kalligas near Athens, Greece, for an hour yesterday re World Univ & Sch ... how was your day?

Am waiting for a call back tomorrow from Kim at state of California's / county's health care options' dept. saying I'm back in Kaiser ...

Lesson tomorrow or next week is another possibly related question ... may begin daily playing earlier than 10 or 10:30 today (am seeking to understand this psychology :)

Hope you have a good week ... if this is all a Covid-19 'fire drill,' to some extent, when can we start becoming social per Denmark and Norway again - https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1247324560942182402?s=20 (and below) - or is a little further 'coronavirus work' still ahead in the USA, differently than in those countries, (their languages) and cultures - and exposure too to (SARS CoV2)?


Amazing too for my big project -

"Already, universities are planning for a fall without students on campus — just in case"
By Deirdre Fernandes Globe Staff,Updated April 13, 2020,

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/13/metro/already-universities-are-planning-fall-without-students-campus-just-case/ and is an in depth article. (Am able to see this behind the pay wall in the Tor browser). I wonder if the President of Brown, Christina Paxson, mentioned here is related to the MIT Professor of Anthropology, Heather Paxson whom I think grew up as a Quaker, having gone to Haverford as undergraduate, and Stanford for PhD. Not sure - bu Christina Paxson did go to Swarthmore, and grew up near Pittsburgh, interestingly.

Love, Scott

PS (again) -
 Swedish paper re #coronavirus :
-Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederikson
Denmark can begin to open after Easter
PM: The first step is to partially open schools
https://dn.se/nyheter/varlden/mette-fredriksen-kan-borja-oppna-danmark-efter-pask/…
- Norway: The epidemic is under control
https://dn.se/nyheter/varlden/norge-epidemin-ar-under-kontroll/…

https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1247324560942182402?s=20



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Good morning, Ma,

How's your day going, and what does getting out hold for you? How are you doing, and what are you thinking re where you live about developing practices for living together in a time of heightened genetic-transmission-risk awareness?

Am curious when Wikipedia in many languages and, say, all the trillium species' pages with their pictures and text in Wikipedia could be used to, or will inform, a realistic virtual earth for 'keying' (logical step by step process of identification) flowering plants, so called angiosperms, and almost newly automatically with our smart phones.

Could all of these images to be used to compare with actual flowers be stored / organized in a multi-dimensional SINGLE realistic virtual earth?

Related beginnings (which I began) and in which there are already many Tweets -
#hashtags

Realistic Virtual Earth for Evolution -

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarthForEvolution?src=hashtag_click

Realistic Virtual Earth for Species -

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarthForSpecies?src=hashtag_click

Looks like Wikipedia thanks to Wikidata founder (now at Google) Denny Vrandecic is developing a next big multi-lingual step with A.I. for 146 language communities of its 300 languages (with far-reaching implications for my big project).

Connection with a partner / wife ... ? ... am waiting ... on nature partly ... and potentially Cuttyhunk 'culture' as well ... Desiderata-wise too

Got something in my left eye in middle of night - need to get it out now. I'd like for it to migrate out to the lid's edge, where I could remove it, but it hasn't yet. Just looked briefly and couldn't see it ...

Hoping to hear back from the county that I'm back in Kaiser today with a return phone call from Kim ...

Inspired too by the great piper PM Stuart Liddell, and thinking of creating PHYSICAL albums after my first upcoming "Honey in the Bag" SSP album, I see that Stuart doesn't list many web recordings - http://www.stuartliddell.com/about - WITH just something here from 2016 - http://www.stuartliddell.com/music . With my significant focus on the virtual, the digital (I teach a course about the I.T. revolution) ... I still see a place for the physical, like a CD, ahead ... and especially in countries like Scotland ... where the virtual and the physical will continue to play a role in music recordings into the future ... with an emergent opportunity for defining this (and even in my big project's Press, for example).

Love,
Scott



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Ann, Ma, Cathy (and Steve), Alden, Sandy,

Happy Easter!

Oregon Poet Laureate Kim Stafford on Haiku in the Columbia River Gorge -
https://youtu.be/c3uJ_MEqPAQ

He mentions in this very nice video on Haiku poetry, Klindt's books in The Dalles (which I looked up here - https://www.klindtsbooks.com/welcome - since 1870!!! - and was this on the Oregon Trail in one way or another?)

Have blogged today and yesterday about Kim Stafford - and much more in an Easter vein too - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/leptopoma-snail-johannes-passion-by-js.html and https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/orange-peel-doris-acanthodoris-lutea.html.

Would love to head into Klindt's books in a realistic virtual earth with time slider - https://www.hood-gorge.com/articles/klindts:-oregons-oldest-bookstore - and am thinking Google Street View with TIME SLIDER, Maps, Earth, AI ... and here's a new step in this direction - https://thebulletin.org/virtual-tour/ - 
plus ...
Here's the #RealisticVirtualEarthForBookstores Twitter hashtag for museums -
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarthForMuseums?src=hashtag_click - and I haven't begun one yet for a realistic virtual earth for bookstores! :) but probably will ...

Happy Easter!

Warmly, Scotty



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Amazing #VirtualWorld Virtual Tour: @BulletinAtomic https://thebulletin.org/virtual-tour/ "Turn Back the Clock" https://bit.ly/2Xje3Wz #museumfromhome >ALL museums ALL 7k languages <#GoogleStreetView w #TimeSlider https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Museums @WorldUnivAndSch in 1 #RealisticVirtualEarthForMuseums~

https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1250167010253615106?s=20
https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1250166323486666752?s=20
https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1250167919108968448?s=20



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Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
@BulletinAtomic · Apr 9
Virtual Tour: Explore the history of the Doomsday Clock. "Turn Back the Clock" takes you through seven decades of history—from the dawn of the nuclear age to the significant global challenges we face today.  https://bit.ly/2Xje3Wz
#museumfromhome cc @WeAreTeachers

https://twitter.com/BulletinAtomic/status/1248297623015972864?s=20



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Hi Ann, Ma, Cathy, Alden and Sandy,

Happy Easter ...

1 Realistic Virtual Earth For Bookstores - #RealisticVirtualEarthForBookstores - Oregon Poet Laureate Kim Stafford on Haiku in the Columbia River Gorge -
https://youtu.be/c3uJ_MEqPAQ He mentions Klindt's books in The Dalles (which I looked up here https://www.klindtsbooks.com/welcome - since 1870!


https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1249451894725959680?s=20
https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1249452524509126657?s=20
https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1249453683613380609?s=20
https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1249454532314066944?s=20
https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1249455184381538304?s=20
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1249455946385870848?s=20

Warm regards, :)
Scott



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Very funny Easter picture from the Vienna News ... :)

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/chronik/oesterreich/2051665-Live-Blog-zum-Coronavirus-Weihwasser-aus-der-Spritzpistole.html

Install Google Translate into your Chrome browser if interested ... :)

Scott



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HI Ann, Ma, Alden, Sandy, Cathy and Steve,

I was able to dredge up Annie Brown's OregonTrail.net email address and add it above (a different kind of Oregon Trail :). I don't think it works any longer - does it Ann? :)

Looks like the Oregon Trail in one sense was over by 1840, as a footpath, but wagon trails started about then apparently, and then the first intercontinental railway was completed in 1869 - and wagons did stop at The Dalles, and board ships on the Columbia River from there probably for quite a while in here, I'd hazard.

"The Oregon Trail was laid by fur traders and trappers from about 1811 to 1840, and was only passable on foot or by horseback. By 1836, when the first migrant wagon train was organized in Independence, Missouri, a wagon trail had been cleared to Fort Hall, Idaho. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Trail ... :)

Would love to explore the Oregon Trail in The Dalles in a realistic virtual earth for history (am thinking Google Street View with time slider, avatar bots we can talk with - and in the back of our glacier glasses :)

Scott
Two recent Oregon Poet Laureate Kim Stafford posts here -
Orange-peel doris - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/orange-peel-doris-acanthodoris-lutea.html
Leptopoma (snail) - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/leptopoma-snail-johannes-passion-by-js.html -
which are Easter posts in a sense too, plus a few others before this eg on Friday :) And see, esp. - https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarthForHistory?src=hashtag_click - which Twitter #hashtag does already have quite a few posts.


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