Thursday, November 24, 2016

Kalahari Desert: Harvard Medical School re possible collaborations/partnering with the online Medical Schools and teaching hospitals at CC WUaS, HMS online courses, Stanford Medicine online video, a kind of kernel for an online teaching hospital, "World University Medical School" - "Digital World Medical School" - "Clinical Trials at WUaS (for all languages)" wiki subject page - Creative Commons' licensed WUaS's business model partly involves seeking donations from all countries (per GDP?) for their online medical students along the lines of the $44,000+ per year, Happy Indigenous People's Day!, Stanford Medicine Grand Rounds, Nov 02, 2016 (Wed)


Dear J.T.K. MD, 

Great to talk just now, and thank you. Looking forward to further communication with J.H. MD, and D.R. MD, and others at Harvard Medical School re possible collaborations/partnering with the online Medical Schools and teaching hospitals at CC World University and School, planned in all countries' main and official languages.

Here are the Harvard Medical School online courses I was referring to - 

https://hms.harvard.edu/education/continuing-education/online-cme-courses - which World University would like to explore building upon, to complement the CC MIT OpenCourseWare (in 7 languages) which is central to our startup university.


And here's the online Stanford Medicine online video, as a kind of kernel for an online teaching hospital (which again WUaS is planning in all countries' main languages) that I was referring to - 



And here are CC MIT OpenCourseWare-centric and CC Yale OpenYaleCourses-centric beginning Medical Schools and teaching "Hospital" (not yet in other languages)

"World University Medical School" - 

"Digital World Medical School"  - 

"Hospital" - 

And here too is a related research page - 
"Clinical Trials at WUaS (for all languages)" wiki subject page - 


Creative Commons' licensed WUaS's business model partly involves seeking donations from all countries (per GDP?) for their online medical students along the lines of the $44,000+ per year it costs to go to Harvard or Stanford, for example. 

Great to have met you at your Stanford Grand Rounds' talk recently, and wonderful too that you're Dr. R.R.'s internist. He's one of my and my family's oldest friends. 

Thanks so much. 

Best regards, 
Scott 
http://worlduniversityandschool.org

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November 2, 2016

Dear Dr. Katz, 

Thanks for your fascinating talk just now at Stanford Medicine. 

LKSC, Berg Hall B&C
Joel Katz, MD
CME Accredited    

Your talk was edifying, timely and excellent - and re World University and School - and I'd love to explore what you spoke about online in a variety of ways at some point at World University (which is accrediting on CC MIT OpenCourseWare in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC) and planning online medical degrees in all countries' main languages with teaching hospitals re - https://plus.google.com/+ScottMacLeodWorldUniversity/posts/K24f6CqC22k - for example. 

WUaS is partly Friendly/Quaker-informed and your having gone to Earlham (in physics) is also fascinating in these regards. 

I mentioned meeting you twice to Dr. Dick Robb by email and am very glad you're Dick's internist, and that you know each other. 

Thank you for your fascinating presentation!

Best regards, Scott


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Wednesday, November 23, 2016

Lake Skadar: Basic Universal Income & World University and School re Stanford Law panel ... WUaS is developing free, highest quality CC MIT OCW-centric (in 7 languages) and CC Yale OYC-centric and wiki CC universal education (200 countries' major universities with law schools in their languages and wiki schools planned for all 7,097 living languages) ... How might WUaS help facilitate a basic universal income?


Hi Scott, 

Greetings. Thanks for further connecting on Twitter recently (https://twitter.com/scottsantens). 

I'm developing CC World University and School, which is like CC Wikipedia with CC MIT OpenCourseWare (in 7 languages) and CC Yale OpenYaleCourses. We seek to accredit on these best STEM CC OpenCourseWare to offer free online CC university and high school degrees - and in all countries' main and official languages. WUaS is also planning wiki schools in all 7,097 living languages for open teaching and learning. So World University and School is developing free, highest quality CC MIT OCW-centric and wiki universal education. WUaS plans to offer online Bachelor, Ph.D., Law and M.D. degrees as well as I.B high school degrees in all nation states' official languages. 

I'm writing you about WUaS's planned online law schools (as well as computer science Bachelor and Ph.D. degrees) in every countries' official languages and basic universal income. 

WUaS has been invited to be part of an informal panel at Stanford Law Codex - https://law.stanford.edu/codex-the-stanford-center-for-legal-informatics/ - probably in late January. WUaS would like also to explore helping code for bitcoin and the blockchain as well, and help facilitate institutionally these institutionally in terms of all nation states - and concerning planning for a basic universal income. 

Would you have interest in being in on the Stanford Law Codex panel via video along with possibly a few other people involved with World University, and perhaps share a few sentences about basic universal income if the opportunity arises? 

Again this would be very informal - and there might be other groups presenting as well. 

In what ways might we explore these ideas further? 

Best regards, Scott






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Tuesday, November 22, 2016

Quantock Hills, England: Fascinating Harvard Internet talk this morning with Scott Bradner, who was involved in the design of the Internet for decades, Scott O. Bradner - "IANA: Important, but not for what they do," Should be accessible soon, I'll use this video, history and recent legal developments in the course I teach at WUaS on "Information Technology, the Network Society, and the Global University" ~ (Course & Syllabus) http://worlduniversityandschool.org/InfoTechNetworkSocGlobalUniv.html (http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm), As I see it, both Scott Bradner and Jon Postel were very much hippies in helping to design the Internet, and as such helped infuse a kind of hippy ethos into its governance and structure, of no one being in control, and Scott explains how this happened in part in his talk, IANA as a non-profit emerged out of ICANN and Harvard Law ... and may be a model for World University and School's exploring developing our For-Profit wing out of Stanford Law, for example


Fascinating Harvard Internet talk this morning with Scott Bradner, who was involved in the design of the Internet for decades.

Scott O. Bradner - "IANA: Important, but not for what they do"
https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/luncheons/2016/11/Bradner

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Its video should be accessible soon, which I'll plan to embed here -

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As I see it, both Scott Bradner and John Postel were very much hippies in helping to design the Internet, and as such helped infuse a kind of hippy ethos into its governance and structure, of no one being in control, and Scott explains how this happened in part in his talk.



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IANA as a non-profit emerged out of ICANN and Harvard Law ... and may be a model for World University and School's exploring developing our For-Profit wing out of Stanford Law, for example.

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I'll use this video, history and recent legal developments in the course I teach at World University and School on

Information Technology, 
the Network Society, and 
the Global University ~
(Course & Syllabus)


(http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm)



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Monday, November 21, 2016

Penikese island, MA: Penikese was a "virtual" field site for Harvard Prof Agassiz (1873) ... or an "as if" site, a) it involved sea transportation to get there (in a boat - with parallels to information technologies) to a different bounded separate "world," b) it was a field site (for the study of natural history of the Elizabeth Islands) in an isolated, separate environment (both Penikese and Cuttyhunk islands were probably deforested in the 1600s) with much potential for comparison with other places/field sites, both actual and virtual, and c) it was for academic learning and study - and explicitly by observation (with parallels to anthropological field work as participant observation), and specifically for learning not by recitation of books, I hope the realistic virtual earth WUaS plans to create in something like Google Street View/Maps/Earth with Time Slider and OpenSim, for ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy, will become a STEM field site and classroom for matriculated WUaS students to learn ... as if a Harvard or Stanford online, with parallels to Penikese, Agassiz at Penikese in The American Naturalist from 1898, Local origins of famous Cuffe family re Cuttyhunk


Penikese Island was a "virtual" field site for Harvard Prof Agassiz ...

or an "as if" site, and "c) as something “that is so in essence or effect, although not formally or actually” (Complete OED 1971) so something not physical, but also “almost” or “nearly as described”;" (MacLeod, Naked Harbin Ethnography, 2016:18 - http://bit.ly/HarbinBook) ... I'd say, in that as an island south of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, a) it involved sea transportation to get there (in a boat - with parallels to information technologies) to a different bounded separate "world," b) it was a field site (for the study of natural history of the Elizabeth Islands) in an isolated, separate environment (both Penikese and Cuttyhunk islands were probably deforested in the 1600s) with much potential for comparison with other places/field sites, both actual and virtual, and c) it was for academic learning and study - and explicitly by observation (with parallels to anthropological field work as participant observation), and specifically for learning not by recitation of books ... (see below).

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Louis Agassiz: “I must make hard work a condition of a continued connection with the school, and desire particularly to impress it upon the applicants for admission that Penikese Island is not to be regarded as a place of summer resort for relaxation. I do not propose to give much instruction in matters which may be learned from books. I want, on the contrary, to prepare those who shall attend to observe for themselves. I would therefore advise all those who wish only to be taught natural history in the way in which it is generally taught, by recitations, to give up their intention of joining the school.” (Wilder 1898: 190 - https://www.jstor.org/stable/2452464)


Agassiz at Penikese

Burt G. Wilder
The American Naturalist
Vol. 32, No. 375 (Mar., 1898), pp. 189-196
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2452464
Page Count: 8

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2452464


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I hope the realistic virtual earth WUaS plans to create conceptually in something like Google Street View/Maps/Earth with Time Slider and with OpenSim for group building, for ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy, will become a STEM field site and classroom for matriculated WUaS students to learn in ... as if a Harvard or Stanford online, with parallels to Penikese for the Swiss Louis Agassiz ... re ...
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Also re Cuttyhunk Island, nearby to Penikese:

Westport researchers uncover local origins of famous Cuffe family

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/special/20161118/westport-researchers-uncover-local-origins-of-famous-cuffe-family


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Having grown up on Cuttyhunk in summers since I was little (1966), I've visited Penikese many, many times, mostly getting there by small sail boat (Bullseyes and Lasers), which I sailed myself there, or by power boat (mostly Makos and Boston Whalers, ~ 16 feet speed boats).

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Sunday, November 20, 2016

Jaldapara National Park: How to set mind on eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology per Stanford's Alia Crum's STEM research on "Mindset"?, Loving bliss can be amazingly great neurophysiology brain-wise, but in terms of context, what are loving bliss qualities of brain chemistry?, To think of the world through the lens of individuals' neurophysiologies is fascinating and mind-expanding (especially when one goes beyond the 7 billion humans on the planet today to the 3 species of primates closest genetically to us), I'd like to set my mind on this and realize it, and help others do the same if they're interested, * Related wiki subjects at WUaS:


Very curious about how to set mind on eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology per Stanford's Alia Crum's STEM research on "Mindset"?

Loving bliss can be amazingly great neurophysiology brain-wise, but in terms of context or milieu or socially, I have in mind hippie, caring and pacifist kinds of loving bliss neurophysiology (in part - but what are loving bliss qualities of brain chemistry?).

To think of the world through the lens of individuals' neurophysiologies (especially since we don't have a read on this yet, scientifically, in terms of neuroscience) is fascinating and mind-expanding (especially when one goes beyond the 7 billion humans on the planet today to the 3 species of primates closest genetically to us, for example).

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Bliss, for example, which hippies experienced at a Grateful Dead concert in the 1960s or 1970s....

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I'd like to set my mind on this and realize it, and help others do the same if they're interested.

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Related wiki subjects at WUaS:

Loving_Bliss_(eliciting_this_neurophysiology) -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Loving_Bliss_(eliciting_this_neurophysiology)

Neurophysiology -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Neurophysiology

( to complement ... Neurobiology ... http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Neurobiology ... )




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Sandhill crane: Great talk this morning by Dr. Alia Crum at Stanford Medicine's Grand Rounds - What will an inter-lingual research approach to Mindset show?, "Change your mindset, change the game," To /Psychology & /Research at WUaS, Interlingually?

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/11/sandhill-crane-great-talk-this-morning.html

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Koala bear: I found Stanford Professor Alia Crum's talk at Ground Rounds yesterday once again inspiring, Mindsets matter relative to body biological processes and she's proving how scientifically - so, placebo effects have measurable benefits, I hope to build on her work and re eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology as well experimentally and re the placebo effect, (Build on her thoracic surgery / morphine and ghrelin approaches, communicating with half of a sample that they'll feel profoundly lovingly blissful, ecstatic and happy, and not communicating with the other half anything, while giving them MDMA; add another group in the Harbin warm pool, and with brain wave headsets, like Tan Le's - seek to measure oxytocins, dopamine, seratonin, endorphins, the neurochemistry of romantic love~heightened levels of four neurotrophins, - i.e. NGF, BDNF, NT-3, and NT-4 http://scottmacleod.com/daltonletter.htm), "Shawn Achor: The happy secret to better work"

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/11/koala-bear-i-found-stanford-professor.html



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Saturday, November 19, 2016

Valbonë Valley National Park, Albania: CC MIT ocw SOIL SCIENCE courses that might interest you, Scottish Country Dancing, Sailing, German Conversation in Google Hangouts, Albania, Poland, German and Russian World University and Schools, planned in their languages


Kent!

Nice to see and talk with you again at Scottish Country Dancing in Berkeley.

It's so great you're studying for your Ph.D. in soil science in Freiburg, after studying philosophy at UC Berkeley as an undergraduate some years ago. 

Here are some CC MIT OCW soil courses that might interest you -

Soil Behavior


While as wiki, you or anyone could create a new "Soils" wiki subject (planned in many languages), there isn't one new - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Subjects (before we move to a new wiki emerging from Wikidata). And we might also add these courses to an Engineering subject page or http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Geology or http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University_Agriculture_School or http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Earth,_Atmospheric,_and_Planetary_Sciences - let's see how this plays out.

Here too in the beginning SCD wiki page at WUaS - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Scottish_Country_Dancing. How to make all of these courses come flourishingly alive in new ways in an interesting question WUaS would like to focus on too. (How too to study enjoyment in learning inter-lingually?)

I didn't realize you sailed, let alone skippered while at Cal -
http://scores.collegesailing.org/f09/north-frosh-soph/A/ . (I've taught sailing before - in Lasers, Bullseyes and Turnabouts).

I'm finding Peter Bothe's GermanKlub - https://plus.google.com/+PeterBothe - interesting in Google Hangouts - if you might be interested. He lives in Bremen, and about every other Saturday at 10am PT, 7pm CET, is Willkommen in Deutschland, and on Thursdays at 11 am PT is German conversation for learning. I'll introduce you if you're interested, although your German is excellent.

See you at the Scottish Country Dance holiday party in Kensington if not before.

Best regards, Scott




- Scott MacLeod - Founder & President 
- http://scottmacleod.com

- World University and School
- http://worlduniversityandschool.org

- World University and School - like Wikipedia with best STEM-centric OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization. 

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Here's some text chat from the German Hangout today:


me
11:19 AM
Hallo
In der DDR, koennte man nur Trabi auto kaufen fuer die die nicht in der Partei waren, and ein Mercedes fuer die in der Partei waren ... Wannsinn in Vergleich zu Deutschland Ost und West heute
Amerikaner hatte "Red Scare" Probleme geschichticheweise wurde ich sage
Admir, hier wird man Albania World University and School eventuel finden http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Nation_States (in eine neue Wiki) ... Polen auch, Doro (worlduniversityandschool.org)

Doro Kot
11:36 AM
Vieln Dank Scott;-)

me
11:36 AM
MIT OCW-centric
:)

Mohamed Fadail joined group chat.

Admir Hoxha
11:45 AM
Danke Scott, das finde ich nteresant, ich habe nicht über world universitz gehört

me
11:45 AM
80 million Menschen dann in Deutschland
Identity und die gleiche Sprachen ...

Mohamed Fadail left group chat.

me
11:47 AM
Hallo Gina!
Potassium Iodide?
Bitte, Admir ...
Alle in ihre eigene Sprachen - CC MIT, free degrees, wiki
vorbehalten?
Vereinigung "Sprache" ist auch deutlich for World University and School in all Sprachen irgendwie
Danke, Peter und Alle!!! Sehr interessant ... grossartig!
Glasnost - a kind of opening
(( Vereinigung "Reden" und Wikidata in Deutschland? (irgendwie) Gibt es ein Verhaeltnis? ))
Vielen Dank!
Eine sehr interessante und wichtige Geschichte
Perhaps we can launch the WUaS Music School - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University_Music_School - ALLE instrumenten in ALLE Sprachen geplannt
Eric Whitacre
Muse Score
Wikipedia Musik connections - suche ich ...

Doro Kot
12:27 PM
Wer sucht der findet :-)

me
12:27 PM
Schaffen wir ein Gospel Chor in Hangout - um zusammen zu singen?

Doro Kot
12:27 PM
bestimmt

me
12:28 PM
Danke, Doro!
Ich will Musik auf Internet zusammen schaffen!










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Friday, November 18, 2016

Black grouse: Wonder what scaling World University will be like, Grow like Google, with its innovations as it grows AI wise, to ~ 50,000 employees, for example - and in Wikidata (Wikipedia's back end) in its 358 languages, Looks like I got an offer yesterday to give a Stanford Law Codex talk in January or spring re WUaS's online planned law schools in all countries' main languages, How about substituting a different new's show (Democracy Now online?) for your daily ritual?, There's no major US newspaper way out on the left that I can think of - seems like a real opportunity for Berkeley (or UC, since UC remembers), for example, Excellent web-based left-leaning newspapers that are gaining widespread traction?, World University and School now has two new newspapers, that generate so far their own content, What radical papers are emerging in paper.li I wonder?, Re giving up your "News" rituals post-election, and in terms of print media compared with video / TV, I think "Global Voices Online" - https://globalvoices.org - might interest you, "In These Times" - http://inthesetimes.com/ - out of Chicago could be another one, but it seems fairly Illinois-centric


Hi M,

No 5 am morning today, I wonder what scaling World University will be like. What happens if we can grow like Google, with its innovations as it grows AI wise, to ~ 50,000 employees, for example - and in Wikidata (Wikipedia's back end) in its 358 languages - and then grow to 20 times this with ~ 800,000 undergrad and grad students, working 10 hours per week, in 8000 languages? What a change!

Looks like I got an offer yesterday to give a Stanford Law Codex talk in January or spring re WUaS's  online planned law schools in all countries' main languages, I'm glad to say. I hope to engage the Wikidata folks in these regards, re beginning to develop WUaS in Wikidata newly, so I can show this.

Your daily news' rituals (PBS Newshour and the PPG and Sunday NYTs +) are very mind and thinking oriented - and use it or lose it (one's brain - which I often read on a Reed College psychology Professor's door (in the early 80s) - Carol Creedon (http://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/december2012/articles/features/creedon.html & http://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/december2012/articles/letters/creedon.html) - or exercise it. 

How about substituting a different new's show (Democracy Now online?) for your daily ritual - and a variety of newspapers online, from the the Washington Post, to the Guardian in the UK, to the NY Times (all best, left leaning, I'd say) after the election stuff settles down. What's an even more critical international left-leaning newspaper? There's no major US newspaper way out on the left that I can think of - seems like a real opportunity for Berkeley (or UC, since UC remembers), for example.

Gonna have a looksee around for excellent web-based left-leaning newspapers that are gaining widespread traction among the NY Times' like-readers. World University and School now has two new newspapers, that generate so far their own content, which was a news' item itself in the last monthly business meeting announcement -

7 WUaS has two new newspapers - 

The World University and School Daily

 https://paper.li/WorldUnivAndSch/1474335157 and  - The MIT OpenCourseWare Daily https://paper.li/WorldUnivAndSch/1474335977 - with which WUAS is experimenting. Both carry this subtitle - "a) MIT is not affiliated with, and does not endorse, World University and School b) MIT does not offer credit to WUaS students, and c) All MIT OpenCourseWare materials are available for free" per communications with MIT Dean Cecilia d'Oliveira this spring.


What radical papers are emerging in paper.li I wonder ?

Music making this evening for SCD ... should be fun ... shoulder isn't perfect, and not sure whether I'll play small pipes or not, but played on Mon and Tue and maybe on Mon again.

Thanks for your email, and looking forward to seeing you, M.


L,
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Hi M,

Re giving up your "News" rituals post-election, and in terms of print media compared with video / TV, I think "Global Voices Online" - https://globalvoices.org - might interest you.

"In These Times" - http://inthesetimes.com/ - out of Chicago could be another one, but it seems fairly Illinois-centric these days. Check out too - https://socialistworker.org/.

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Thursday, November 17, 2016

Koala bear: I found Stanford Professor Alia Crum's talk at Ground Rounds yesterday once again inspiring, Mindsets matter relative to body biological processes and she's proving how scientifically - so, placebo effects have measurable benefits, I hope to build on her work and re eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology as well experimentally and re the placebo effect, (Build on her thoracic surgery / morphine and ghrelin approaches, communicating with half of a sample that they'll feel profoundly lovingly blissful, ecstatic and happy, and not communicating with the other half anything, while giving them MDMA; add another group in the Harbin warm pool, and with brain wave headsets, like Tan Le's - seek to measure oxytocins, dopamine, seratonin, endorphins, the neurochemistry of romantic love~heightened levels of four neurotrophins, - i.e. NGF, BDNF, NT-3, and NT-4 http://scottmacleod.com/daltonletter.htm), "Shawn Achor: The happy secret to better work"


Tired here from 2 5am mornings in a row. Interesting speaking and financial developments emerged recently at Stanford too re WUaS.

I found Stanford Professor Alia Crum's talk at Ground Rounds yesterday (which I got up at 5 for) once again inspiring and it's similar to her TED talk here -

Change your mindset, change the game | Dr. Alia Crum | TEDxTraverseCity

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=cA9o3TYNFp8 - which I'm watching for a 2nd time, for a total of 3. Blogged about this yesterday further - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/11/sandhill-crane-great-talk-this-morning.html.

Mindsets matter relative to body biological processes and she's proving how scientifically - so, placebo effects have measurable benefits. Her studies are smart, and she's very happy-making (for me) when she presents this thinking and evidence  live.

So I'm going to set my mind to be happy as I continue to develop my big project/WUaS  (learning from Alia:)  Watch her TED Talk, and begin to smile more - set your mind on this. I hope to build on her work and re eliciting loving bliss as well ...

http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Loving_Bliss_(eliciting_this_neurophysiology)

(Build on her thoracic surgery / morphine and ghrelin approaches, communicating with half of a sample that they'll feel profoundly lovingly blissful, ecstatic and happy, and not communicating with the other half anything, while giving them MDMA; add another group in the Harbin warm pool, and with brain wave headsets, like Tan Le's - seek to measure oxytocins, dopamine, seratonin, endorphins ...
the neurochemistry of romantic love~heightened levels of four neurotrophins, - i.e. NGF, BDNF, NT-3, and NT-4 http://scottmacleod.com/daltonletter.htm ... and study this experimentally in a realistic virtual Harbin comparatively, as well).

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Friend:
I'm going to reset my mind by going to bed early and getting up early to set on my meditation cushion long enough for my mind to settle.  

Scott: 
Her experiments and her modeling are her positive pills for me ! She's just describing her experiments ... haven't learned how she applies such to her own life systematically


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Sandhill crane: Great talk this morning by Dr. Alia Crum at Stanford Medicine's Grand Rounds - What will an inter-lingual research approach to Mindset show?, "Change your mindset, change the game," To /Psychology & /Research at WUaS, Interlingually?


http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/11/sandhill-crane-great-talk-this-morning.html


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Filmed May 2011 at TEDxBloomington

Shawn Achor: The happy secret to better work

https://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_better_work


Great synthesis of usable positive psycholgy in his TED talk, R! ... Added possible bases for clinical studies re X to my 2nd Stanford's Alia Crum blog post yesterday ... http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/11/koala-bear-i-found-stanford-professor.html ... Now how to begin to study all this further and experimentally online & multilingually at WUaS? :) ... and how too to develop further usable knowledge from this, for many? 



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