Laurus nobilis: Coding for consciousness in virtual brains? Metaphors and knowledge generation - and in a realistic virtual earth with avatar bots?, And in what way could psychiatrists and psychoanalysts - eventually as avatar bots too - at WUaS in all 200 countries' main languages generate more brain-centric data about unconscious subjective experience?, Beyond developing an atomic pixel, as well as a neural pixel (and cell pixels, etc.), in what ways would developing a "consciousness pixel" help here? Hypothetical computer "CONSCIOUSNESS PIXEL", Not inquiring about a hypothetical "gene pixel" here, And it might have to allow these avatar bots with agency to experience "what it is like ..." to see red to see blue, for example ... How humans learn, including generating metaphors for learning/knowledge-generation - and how information technology machine learning works algorithm-wise in a realistic virtual earth with avatar bots - would all be central to this "consciousness pixel" ... and to the "what it is like to be ... " question in philosophy of mind questions about consciousness, Bringing in "consciousness itself" (leaving aside the question of the unconscious here), Would a hypothetical "consciousness pixel" help us get around the knowledge-generation aspects of metaphor?, My actual virtual Harbin Hot Springs ethnography focuses explicitly on the actual virtual distinction, "Consciousness" Wiki and related Subjects at WUaS

Fascinating, Javier. Would a list of metaphors in Wikipedia's 358 languages, coded as "metaphors" in Wikidata, be of help as an initial dataset in these regards? These could then be coded for soccer, for example. (I arrived a bit late, and look forward to watching your talk in full). (Seeking here to facilitate too an universal translator for all 7,099 living languages, and to explore creating brains in AI and at the cellular and atomic levels, even re questions of consciousness and the unconscious, in all 7,099 living languages at World University and School; conceptually think Google Brain/Streetview/Maps/Earth with time slider and which are group build-able by STEM) researchers). Thank you. 

Best regards, Scott

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Hi Javier, (Dianne and Jim), 
http://www.esade.edu/faculty/xavier.busquets

I just re-visited your talk and appreciated your focus on connecting metaphor with simulation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wXlPAyEBY - as a kind of novel (metaphor-informed) approach to knowledge generation. World University and School is particularly interested in creating a realistic virtual earth for STEM research and in all 7,099 living languages. Think Google Streetview with Time Slider (so including evolutionary history, and the last century of film) with Google Maps/Earth/Brain (including at the cellular / atomic levels)/ G-Hangouts (so including people using metaphor live and interactively, but recordable to Youtube) /Translate/TensorFlow+. I wonder how we could begin to code such a realistic virtual for understanding people uttering metaphors as knowledge generation. 

So I looked up further what metaphor is and came across philosopher of metaphor Liz Camp's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Camp - http://rci.rutgers.edu/~emc233/index.html) "What is Metaphor" video - "Phil101--Liz Camp on Metaphor" - 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5EmZh_Obi8 - in these regards. While it could be possible, for example, in a realistic virtual earth with all 7099 living languages to move with a computer application from European soccer in Youtube into an interactive 3D virtual world (think Google Streetview combined WITH OpenSimulator / Second Life, but realistic), with speaking AVATAR BOTS, and add commentary/analysis too re understanding metaphor, such as your talk, and re the underlying (TensorFlow-informed?) speaking algorithms (as a set of steps - https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computer-science/algorithms/intro-to-algorithms/v/what-are-algorithms) here, I think our speaking avatar bots here would potentially be able further to inform questions informing coding for consciousness itself in a hypothetical Google Brain-centric project (and say, both human consciousness and mouse consciousness, to begin) and beginning with Integrated Information Theory (e.g. see https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/10/whirlpool-galaxy-we-almost-gave-up-on.html) and also re David Chalmer's real / virtual philosophy of mind work (e.g. re his recent talk on this at Stanford - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/05/wandering-albatross-talk-on-virtual-and.html). 

What do you think? Would you help with this project in the Spanish and Catalan languages+? (How metaphor generation in simulation - such as in football matches - could be applied in business senses would be part of this - in, CONCEPTUALLY, this Google Streetview with avatar bots model +)

Thanks for your thought producing talk, Javier.  

Best, Scott

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Jim Spohrer 

Thanks Javier - fascinating topic.   We need to get systems learning with smaller data sets, and this direction is key.

10/26/17, 7:40 AMJim Spohrer 

FYI: one day as the sun was setting my son was tossing a ball in the air as the sun was setting, and he said "Hey Dad! the shadow on my Ball looks just like the Shadow on the Moon!" -- he didn't discover gravity, but I was fascinated with his observation - try it next time sun is setting and moon is setting shortly after.

10/26/17, 7:42 AMJim Spohrer 

FYI: Ken Forbus (who has spoken in this speaker series) has some great papers related to this topic - one of my favorites - see: http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/papers/Files/chalmers/response-Chalmers-et-al-JETAI.html%20

10/26/17, 7:43 AMDianne Fodell 

Thanks, Jim!

10/26/17, 7:47 AMJim Spohrer 

Check out this early work by Elliot Soloway for a system to learn Baseball - http://www.ijcai.org/Proceedings/77-2/Papers/056.pdf - Elliot was my PhD advisor, and his dissertation from U Mass was on  ML for Baseball

10/26/17, 7:48 AMJim Spohrer 

learn the rules of Baseball by watching games

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A Heideggerian Response to David Chalmers

https://youtu.be/NK1Yo6VbRoo
"In this post, I want to expose the object-metaphors of analytic philosophy of mind. In this video interview of Chalmers, we can see that for him, consciousness is understood as if it were an entity." 
(https://philosophyandpsychology.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/a-heideggerian-response-to-david-chalmers/)

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Thomas Dean brain stanford neuroscience conference 2016 scott-macleod.blogspot.com

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Tom Dean
Research Scientist
Google Brain
Google

Automatically inferring mesoscale models of neural computation

https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/videos/automatically-inferring-mesoscale-models-neural-computation

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CS379C: Computational Models of the Neocortex

Spring 2017

Instructor: Thomas Dean

Email: tld [at] google [dot] com

Office hours: by appointment

Course Assistant: Amy Christensen 

Email: amyjc [at] stanford [dot] com

https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs379c/


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Neurosciences Institute

Videos

https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/videos/ideaslab-davos-2016

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Plate tectonics: Blockchain ledger and planning for technical programming - re Stanford, Blockchain ledger data standards for health care sound worth developing, Robotic surgery, Conceptually - like Quickbooks/Multi-Store/TurboTax particularly for their multiple countries' multiple languages, A realistic virtual earth at the street view, cellular, atomic and subatomic levels-think Google Streetview / Maps / Earth with TIME SLIDER and conceptually with group build-able OpenSimulator/SL- in all 7,099 living languages

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/08/plate-tectonics-blockchain-ledger-and.html

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Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary: An online worldwide California School of Psychoanalysis / Psychiatry at WUaS in all ~200 countries' official languages, Stanford Medicine Psychiatry's "Functional Neurological Disorder" talk ... "From neurology to psychiatry: Your emotional state has powerful control over your body — and Kim Bullock, MD ..." ... "Psychoanalysis," "Psychiatry," "Psychology," "Psychotherapy" and "Consciousness" wiki subjects at WUaS, How Stanford Medicine Psychiatry navigates questions of serving the following groups, New issues this Psychiatric Psychoanalytic school at WUaS would focus on, Virtual Reality Clinic | Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences | Stanford Medicine

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/05/currumbin-wildlife-sanctuary-online.html

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Iaraka River leaf chameleon: ""Does Neuralink Solve The Control Problem" may be a straw man" philosophically, "Why This Robot Ethicist Trusts Technology More Than Humans: MIT’s Kate Darling ...," Modeling of a fly brain or a mouse brain, Extended computer science / brain and cognitive science departments/coders (over decades) of the Stanford/MITs, the Oxbridges, the Univ Tokyo+, Conversation with best universities in Chinese, Arabic and Persian languages, for example, seems to me to be important here

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/05/iaraka-river-leaf-chameleon-does.html

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And in what way could psychiatrists and psychoanalysts - eventually as avatar bots too - at WUaS in all 200 countries' main languages generate more brain-centric data about unconscious subjective experience?
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/10/umbellularia-looking-somehow-for-loving.html

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Beyond developing an atomic pixel, as well as a neural pixel (and cell pixels, etc.), in what ways would developing a "consciousness pixel" help here? And it might have to allow these avatar bots with agency to experience "what it is like to" see red to see blue ...

https://youtu.be/NK1Yo6VbRoo

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How do you explain consciousness? | David Chalmers (2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhRhtFFhNzQ
"Right now you have a movie playing inside your head ... "

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David Chalmers: The Conscious Mind (excerpt)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SLOr2icnY

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How humans learn, including generating metaphors for learning/knowledge-generation - and how information technology machine learning works algorithm-wise in a realistic virtual earth with avatar bots - would all be central to this "consciousness pixel" ... and to the "what it is like to be ... " and "conscious experience itself" for you and me, and the "whole inner story that's going on" ...  questions in philosophy of mind about consciousness.

Would a hypothetical "consciousness pixel" help us get around the knowledge-generation aspects of metaphor- and differentially between, say, humans, mice, flies and sea slugs?

THE hypothetical computer "CONSCIOUSNESS PIXEL" would presumably be much simpler for a sea slug compared with a fly compared with a mouse compared with an human.

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Not inquiring about a hypothetical "gene pixel" here, let alone its potential relationship to consciousness.

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My actual virtual Harbin Hot Springs ethnography ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook and https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ focuses explicitly on the actual-virtual distinction (whereas David Chalmers' talk at Stanford this May 2017 focused philosophically on the real-virtual distinction).

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Sounds good, Javier, Jim and Dianne, 

Talking soon could work ... after an upcoming CSIG talk? 

I just blogged a bit further about this - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/10/laurus-nobilis-coding-for-consciousness.html - with further approaches also to consciousness and brain modeling too (in addition to focusing on all 7,099 living languages - a goal of the Wikimedia/Wikipedia foundation by 2030, I'm very Google-platform centric in all of this). (World University and School is like CC Wikipedia in 358 languages with CC MIT OCW in 7 languages)

Cheers, Scott

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Brain and Cognitive Sciences: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_and_Cognitive_Sciences

Consciousness: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Consciousness

Learning: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Learning

Linguistics: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Linguistics

Naturalism: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Naturalism

Philosophy: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Philosophy

Philosophy of Language: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Philosophy_of_Language

Philosophy of Science: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Philosophy_of_Science

Psychology: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Psychology

Virtual Worlds: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Worlds

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