Friday, April 30, 2010

Jasper Ridge Grasses: African Americans at a Stanford pre-Journalism conference, Democracy Now, Stanford is a Flower

Saw more African Americans at a Stanford pre-Journalism conference talk yesterday evening by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now than I have at many academic talks in decades. Amy seems to be giving a voice to progressive media that's effective, and means something to people who want social change.



Stanford is a flower and a piece of architectural music, thanks to Olmsted :)


Glad to see I'm not the only Freddy fan! @Scott: If Stanford is a piece of music, Central Park is a symphony - I'm envious!!


So is Stanford Bach cello suites? Hmmmm ? It's not Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique ... A Mozartian design with Spanish song? ... It's neither a Grateful Dead jam, nor a raga played by Ravi Shankar ... What form of music is Stanford? :)

( April 30, 2010)

Thursday, April 29, 2010

Wild Mint: 'Pragmatism's Gift' is new Philosophy subject at World Univ, FREE personal financial management software, Energy Technologies Subjects

'Pragmatism's Gift' - - (New York Times, March 15, 2010) is a far-reaching and insightful essay characterizing pragmatism as philosopphy. I've created a new subject at World University and School ( called Pragmatism, - - where I've added 'Pragmatism's Gift,' for future reference. (I'll turn my focus vis-à-vis pragmatism to making World University and School grow financially, as well, I hope).


added FREE - personal financial management software - to's "Finance-Personal" subj & "Educational Software" - Here and here -


added "Wind Energy" subject to World University
- as well as "Energy
Technologies" subject -

( - April 29, 2010)

Tigers Playing: Notwithstanding the histories of virtual worlds thus far inscribing a range of terms in the anthropological literature abt virtuality

Harbin ethnography:

... further conversation among anthropologists.

Notwithstanding the histories of virtual worlds thus far, that inscribe a range of terms in the anthropological literature about virtual worlds, creating a terminology of virtual worlds vis-a-vis actual and virtual Harbin, the vision of the 1960s which informs Harbin, its situatedness in northern California, the effects of geothermally heated waters which flow into many of the Harbin pools on the fabric of life at Harbin, have complementary effects both actually and virtually. It's both actual and virtual Harbin's distinctiveness, as place, which distinguishes the terms of discussion here, from a generalized discussion of virtual worlds as a whole, e.g. the metaverse. It is ethnographic representation and interpretation (Cerwonka and Malkki, 2007) which I'll use to engage the uniquenesses of actual and virtual Harbin vis-a-vis the growing literature of virtual worlds in anthropology to contribute to the conversation.

In this book I examine the actual and virtual Harbin in the context of virtual worlds, which Castronova defines as …

( - April 29, 2010)

Dolphin planing: Harbin is a lot about play ... simply playing and having fun ... Hippies did this a lot in the context of modernity

Harbin is a lot about play ... simply playing and having fun ...

Hippies did this a lot in the context of modernity, too ... :)


Last night at Harbin after soaking in the pools, I enjoyed the film "It's Complicated." When Meryl Streep goes to bliss while dancing with her ex-husband at their son's graduation in New York City, far from Santa Barbara where they all live, .... I went to bliss, too {viz} :)

( - April 29, 2010)

Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Bridalveil Falls, Yosemite: Terms of Discussion - Virtual Worlds, Actual, Virtual, 1960s/Counterculture, Imagination

Harbin ethnography:

... into my arms and begin to float her.

Terms of Discussion

This characterization of life in the milieus of actual and virtual Harbin Hot Springs, and what's possible now with digital technologies and virtual worlds, like Second Life, in realizing and generating imaginative narratives, interactively, reflect Ursula K. Le Guin's (the daughter of UC Berkeley Anthropologist Kroeber, after whom the Cal Anthropology building is named) California fiction and imaginary creation in her ethnographic science fiction “Always Coming Home” (1985 - which included an audio cassette of Kesh music, composed by Todd Barton) This actual/virtual Harbin ethnography also comes into conversation with Le Guin's focus on appropriate use of technologies. Four hundred years in the future, the Kesh people, who live in the valley of Na – which reflects Le Guin's childhood growing up in summers in California's Napa Valley, a world where Le Guin would “most like to live; but that's partly because I did live there, all the summers of my childhood” [The Guardian, February 9, 2004, Chronicles of Earthsea -,6000,1144428,00.html] – limit and choose their technologies carefully and live in a very beautiful and imagined real world. People have done so many fascinating and colorful things at actual Harbin since 1972, when Ish bought the Harbin Hot Springs property, as this book and ongoing fieldwork will show. On virtual Harbin, an island in the Open Simulator virtual world program begun in 2008, and which was subsequently stolen with my laptop computer in 2009, as well as in Second Life, ethnographic characterizations of virtual Harbin highlight the significance of creativity in representation as well as Harbin's culture/fabric of life, centered around the pools, with their harmonizing effects leading to a kind of oneness for some, and hippie informed freedom for a time for others. At actual Harbin people, both residents and visitors, have found great freedom, in the pools, away from the city, and in exploring their visions of living informed by the 1960s, counterculturally, as part of a tribe. At virtual Harbin and in Second Life, avatars have created hot springs, have participated in gatherings and festivals, like Burning Man, and Second Life and Open Simulator generate carnivalesque representations and possibilities, at times, in their potential for creativity, the liminality which occurs there, and their digital representations, explorations and instantiations of the imagination. At actual and virtual Harbin, people take off their clothes, get naked, soak in the pools, cuddle together, harmonize, make love, come to polyamory workshops, get married, play together, find oneness, explore the moment, and are creative. At actual Harbin, the physical valley and waters themselves create and enhance these explorations. At virtual Harbin, avatars do all this, and they also can create more ongoing, generative representations through interactive digital technologies, including writing new scripts to animate avatars in new ways, and create new builds on virtual islands, informed by their visions. In both places, people put on colorful clothing, or take off their clothing, and often find freedom to shine and be happy in these liberating milieus of retreat, with possibilities for intimacy, creativity and regeneration. But such remarkable new forms of living require very clear terms of discussion to understand their anthropological significance as well as what's at stake. Engaging Boellstorff's (2007) in “Coming of Age” and building on these, will make an understanding of 'virtual worlds' and representational generativity open to further conversation among anthropologists.

Notwithstanding the histories of virtual worlds thus far ...

( - April 28, 2010)

Ocean winds: Conversing about wind energy in Massachusetts, - just not near Cuttyhunk, please

Hi, Cuttyhunkers interested in Massachusett's wind energy plans and the possible windmills close to Cuttyhunk,

Thanks to all for engaging this conversation.

I'm so glad D has helped to create this forum for Cuttyhunkers to share ideas, and especially that people are and have been speaking. Thank you, D!

I agree with the importance of both local and knowledgeable people giving voice to Cuttyhunk concerns about the merits and demerits of situating windmills close to Cuttyhunk.

I worry about the costs to the Town of Gosnold, and especially Cuttyhunk, of this Massachusett's statewide, developing, windmill plan. (Personally, I'm also in favor of wind energy development in Massachusetts, just not close to Cuttyhunk, or in ways that makes life worse for people anywhere in Massachusetts, or anywhere for that matter). I also worry about the long term costs of nonrenewable energy like oil, and the cost of carbon output leading to global warming.

As an historical note, the Town of Gosnold chose not to pay for the hookup to the windmill which Twig Spaulding built at his own expense in the mid 70s, - and there the Cuttyhunk windmill stood for around 2 decades, unused, perhaps due to a lack of conversation between Alan 'Twig' Spaulding Jr. and Cuttyhunk.

And I see the costs of energy going up in terms of state taxation due to this statewide windmill project, with no financial benefits, legally contracted, accruing to Cuttyhunk from Cape Wind Inc. (The NY Times estimated this project at both 1 billion and 10 billion US dollars with payback coming after 25 years).

I hope it's conversations like these which will lead to the best plans and outcomes for Cuttyhunk vis-a-vis the State of Massachusetts' energy plans. And I hope we can find more voices from Cuttyhunk in this process!

I've added these two most recent New York Times' articles (April 26 and 28, 2010) for reference to the open World University and School: What other references have people seen in this forum which we might add here?


( - April 28, 2010)

Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Himalayan balsam: Bright sun, quiet day on the ridge in Canyon

Yesterday in Canyon:

bright sun, quiet day on the ridge in Canyon. Redwoods to west are soaking in the sun, mountains to east too bright ... bluegrass listening (to Del McCoury), tenor singing :)

Day's brightening grows ... with the Grateful Dead playing ... 'Dark Star' .... March 30 1968 :)


Today it's rainy, cool, beautiful and California wintery ...

( - April 27, 2010)

Monday, April 26, 2010

Barren Land: In World University and School's need for funding, WUaS is thinking about offering a home schooling certificate for $25

In World University and School's need for funding, WUaS is thinking about offering a home schooling certificate for $25.

World Univ & Sch needs financial resources.

( - April 26, 2010)

Oyster Reef: The pools are beautiful,” Rose says - “Can we go into the warm pool for more Watsu"

Harbin ethnography:

... if their actual parents help them with the adult grid, or they are in the teen grid.

“The pools are beautiful,” Rose says. “Can we go into the warm pool for more Watsu?” A flush comes over her pretty, virtual face, by the Heart-shaped pool. As we walk there, nude like so many other Harbin avatars in the pool area, – nakedness is so normal at Harbin - I say to her “I often explore the relaxation response in the warm pool by myself, and it often brings me to a kind of experience of oneness, and that this sometimes opens the possibility for the neurophysiology of bliss to bubble up.” When this bubbles up, I often both release and welcome this on and and on, in all its fine inner 'weather.' She nods with understanding, but says she hasn't spent very much time in the pools. I tell her, that I haven't ever explored in the pools, a kind of duet of bliss, of Watsu bliss, with this neurophysiology happening, and that I'm interested in exploring this, in some depth. As we walk up along the side of the warm pool, she says she's interested. So we step over the edge and walk down the steps. There are about 10 avatars in the warm pool, and as we immerse ourselves our virtual faces ease and smile, and I receive her into my arms and begin to float her.

Terms of Discussion ...

( - April 26, 2010)

School of Fish: Dental School, Agriculture, Accounting

New World University Schools:

Dental School:

I've added the University of Michigan's extensive youtube Dentistry video lectures here.

Agriculture School:

World University's internet Agriculture School focuses on sustainable and organic agriculture, both small and large scale, and its interaction with cities. What are the best academic research, arguments, cost analyses, and plans for moving to organic and sustainable agriculture world wide, especially vis-a-vis cities?

Accounting School:

( - April 26, 2010)

Sunday, April 25, 2010

Panda in Water: added nascent World University 'Journalism School' and 'Pharmacy School'

added nascent World University 'Journalism School' and 'Pharmacy School' - for the English-speaking WUaS ... more of these will happen in other languages.

Invitation add content to these schools and subjects to open, creative WUaS. :)

( - April 25, 2010)

Saturday, April 24, 2010

Duck Waterfall: seeking Creators, Teachers, Music-Makers, Learning-Lovers here by adding to and engaging World University & School

World University & School is growing ... seeking Creators, Teachers, Music-Makers, Learning-Lovers here by adding to and engaging:

( - April 24, 2010)

Black Lace Mushrooms: Information Technology Revolution, How Networks and Sociality Spread, Language Learning Online

Welcome to Information Technology and Society

Week 12

Here's the wiki with course material:

In this class we'll focus on how the information technology revolution developed, especially vis-a-vis long time Berkeley Professor Manuel Castells' research on the Network Society, as well as - a wiki bibliography on virtual ethnography.

I invite your questions, and I'll post a version of the text from each class to over the weeks.

There's already a lot of information on this wiki, which will develop with this class.

And please join the Google Group for World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware -

[11:03] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[11:03] Connected

[11:04] You decline Friends Meeting, Sea Turtle Island (188, 21, 25) from A group member named Scot Jung.

[11:04] You decline Friends Meeting, Sea Turtle Island (188, 21, 25) from A group member named Scot Jung.

[11:04] You decline NSS in SL Machinima Contest Info - FINAL from A group member named Archivist Llewellyn.

[11:04] You decline Science Friday Members, SCIENCE FRIDAY (219, 211, 28) from A group member named Bjorlyn Loon.

[11:04] *Ministry of Motion owned by Nomasha Syaka gave you 'THE MOST WONDERFUL MOCAP ANIMATIONS IN SECOND LIFE' ( ).

[11:04] You decline VWs-why? 22 Apr, 12 noon SL, Infolit iSchool (129, 242, 22) from A group member named Sheila Yoshikawa.

[11:05] Aphilo Aarde: Hi Buffy

[11:05] Buffy Beale: Hi! where is everyone?

[11:05] Aphilo Aarde: Class begins at 10 past, so I think people will arrive soon.

[11:05] Buffy Beale: thought I missed a time change

[11:05] Buffy Beale: ohhh lol

[11:05] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[11:06] Buffy Beale: does that happen in real university courses?

[11:06] Aphilo Aarde: SL times changes seem to reflect Pacific Time, and not the location of the end user.

[11:06] Aphilo Aarde: Place-based universities are tied to their local clocks

[11:07] Buffy Beale: ok, but an 11 start is the same in any timezone

[11:07] Buffy Beale: isn't it?

[11:07] Aphilo Aarde: The cool thing about a virtual university which is wiki based is the potential to call a class

[11:07] Buffy Beale: I mean to me reflects not taken so seriously if peeps can just arrive late

[11:07] Aphilo Aarde: when one wants to - which is in the World University Subject Template

[11:08] Buffy Beale: ok, I get that but I don't get why we start late every week

[11:08] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:08] Buffy Beale: here I mean

[11:08] Buffy Beale: this being the first virtual course

[11:08] Aphilo Aarde: and therefore potentially in all subjects

[11:09] Buffy Beale: lol, can you tell me why we start at 11:10 and not 11?

[11:09] Aphilo Aarde: I suspect that 1o minuate after the hour start time reflects on the ground reality at Harvard and Berkeley, where this has become the real start time

[11:10] Aphilo Aarde: And I thought this would be realistic here to in Second Life Time

[11:10] Buffy Beale: ok thanks

[11:10] Buffy Beale: so it's 11:10

[11:11] Buffy Beale: My point is to make a class in virtual worlds work then the groundrules should be the same

[11:11] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ,the question I wonder about is how to get people excited about sharing ideas - somewhat academically informed - so that lots of folks are here all the time talking, conversing and sharing ideas ... like improvised music

[11:11] Buffy Beale: unless nobody else is coming today

[11:11] Buffy Beale: yes, get the spark going

[11:11] Buffy Beale: first they have to have a common interest

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: Folks usually wander in a little gradually - but you have a point ... state 11 as the official starting time, and default to 11 10, instead of starting at 11:10

[11:12] Buffy Beale: then a common problem/issue etc to solve

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: and defaulting to 11:20 :)

[11:12] Buffy Beale: haha yes

[11:12] Buffy Beale: good thats my point although just started out as a curiosity

[11:12] Buffy Beale: have you heard of Urgent Evoke?

[11:13] Aphilo Aarde: That universities exist - that universities in modernity are BIG - is a reflection of the role of ideas and knowledge and in society - knowledge important and integral

[11:13] Aphilo Aarde: especially now in the informaiton technology revolution

[11:13] Aphilo Aarde: One class 3 weeks ago, only Xiu was here ... so we may do this again

[11:13] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ... thanks for your recommendation

[11:14] Buffy Beale: that would be good, I missed the first ones

[11:14] Aphilo Aarde: too at Urgent Evoke ... I posted your comments to my blog

[11:14] Buffy Beale: yes, silly me lol you're my mentor lol

[11:14] Buffy Beale: so, it's starting to be recognized that networking is taking a new level

[11:15] Buffy Beale: and groups of like-minded people are connecting

[11:15] Aphilo Aarde: that's great

[11:15] Buffy Beale: and, that the next step is how to get them collaborating

[11:15] Aphilo Aarde: in new ways ... given the challenges now of so much information and so many disparate interests.

[11:16] Aphilo Aarde: And Urgent Evoke is a key focus for this ...

[11:16] Buffy Beale: here's a link that illustrates my observation:

[11:16] Aphilo Aarde: Measuring its efficacy, even as its successes develop, is an interesting research project

[11:17] Buffy Beale: yes Urgent Evoke is just the beginning

[11:17] Aphilo Aarde: I suspect that there are other related sits

[11:17] Buffy Beale: I believe there will be an explosion of social networking starting to make real change for good in the world

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks ... yes I'm familiar with Ashoka mentioned in the article.

[11:18] Buffy Beale: before it was just socializing

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: *sits =situations

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: And this is an advertisers dream too

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, agreed - there are many already ... but how they disseminate is interesting.

[11:19] Aphilo Aarde: World University and School lists a lot of great free sites focusing on teaching and learning ...

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: that are also networking oriented in their own ways

[11:20] Buffy Beale: I don't know them all, but to me Evoke is the first to change from just socializing

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: Here's another one from Creative Commons -

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: It's name focuses on speed ...

[11:20] Buffy Beale: great ty

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: And ODEPO is already on World University and School

[11:21] Buffy Beale: fantastic!

[11:21] Aphilo Aarde: But Urgent Evoke's idea is primarily a focused meme approach - replicating cultural unit - in some ways

[11:21] Buffy Beale: Ok, so education and learning is organizing but what about social innovators

[11:21] Buffy Beale: how so?

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde: Here's World University and School's "Course Listings' Aggregates" where ODEPO is listed

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:23] Buffy Beale: I'll share this with the Evoke network :)

[11:23] Aphilo Aarde: Social innovators in what sense? Like nonviolent direct action work - or Grameen Banks, for example?

[11:23] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks :)

[11:24] Buffy Beale: Social innovators who are needing to collaborate to make their innovation happen

[11:24] Aphilo Aarde: Some examples?

[11:24] Buffy Beale: so can be all kinds of ideas

[11:24] Buffy Beale: thinking

[11:25] Buffy Beale: ok

[11:25] Aphilo Aarde: Are twitter posts an example of aggregated social innovators?

[11:25] Buffy Beale: no

[11:25] Aphilo Aarde: Is Myspace with music groups an example?

[11:25] Buffy Beale: but could be depending on who they follow

[11:26] Buffy Beale: these are still social driven but nothing happens as a result

[11:26] Buffy Beale: one listens to common music

[11:26] Aphilo Aarde: Or are you thinking more in terms of Ashoka?

[11:26] Buffy Beale: yes more like Ashoka

[11:26] Buffy Beale: so here we have all these people connected on twitter

[11:26] Buffy Beale: lots of talking and sharing

[11:26] Aphilo Aarde: On the web, social innovation has often involved hacking

[11:27] Buffy Beale: but if one of those people has an idea which could change the world

[11:27] Aphilo Aarde: engaging open source and free ware innovatively to create new software or social networking possibilities

[11:27] Buffy Beale: how do they get in a group to collaborate

[11:27] Buffy Beale: am I making sense?

[11:27] Aphilo Aarde: may offer some interesting focuses for you -

[11:28] Buffy Beale: great link, thanks

[11:29] Aphilo Aarde: Much of the first part of this course involved looking at a whole variety of information technological innovation that gave rise to the Information Technology revolution and thus contributed to an ongoing revolution of Information Technology.

[11:29] Aphilo Aarde: So people were excited about talking about information technology in the 1950s thanks to the

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: and chip making outside of work ... leading to new forms of social innovation ... talking about ideas is at root

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: There more related links at world university and school

[11:30] Buffy Beale: makes my head spin :)

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: sorry, at

[11:30] Buffy Beale: yes see it's loaded

[11:31] Aphilo Aarde: Here are some key books about innovation itself -

[11:31] Aphilo Aarde: And one of the points of this course is that much of the Information Technology revolution has been unplanned, the result of synergies between technologies and innovations, and accidental, even.

[11:32] Buffy Beale: good reading

[11:32] Buffy Beale: yes, technology is in the drivers seat

[11:32] Aphilo Aarde: So, in extrapolating innovation to more specific processes of sociality ... your question, I think ...

[11:33] Aphilo Aarde: how do networks form in ways that spread social ideas quickly, seems to be one

[11:33] Aphilo Aarde: question

[11:33] Aphilo Aarde: And what are examples, and how can these communication technologies be used to extend this?

[11:34] Aphilo Aarde: And, in general, one of the empirical findings of research about the internet has

[11:34] Buffy Beale: yes exactly

[11:34] Aphilo Aarde: been that social processes on the internet emerge from social processes in life

[11:35] Aphilo Aarde: For example, people become very social on the internet through new networks, but family life on the ground does change.

[11:35] Aphilo Aarde: That it's this real time world wide communication network which

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: makes these networks and sociality changes and new ideas spread ...

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: There are infinite web site addresses which

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: and all of us can become producers of information much more easily than before the web and with 2 billion people who have computers - on the have side of the digitial divide

[11:38] Aphilo Aarde: So sometimes, I think, a person with a sense of urgency, can talk and share his or her ideas, and spread the ideas they have urgently ... but why email was adopted or the web was adopted in such a wide spread way, compared with technologies that haven't been adopted is interesting.

[11:38] Buffy Beale: I'm talking all this in

[11:39] Aphilo Aarde: With World University and School, building on the existing university, it becomes easily understood ... and this social idea will spread, I think, I hope, maybe not urgently, though, because

[11:40] Aphilo Aarde: the university and schools in modernity are important, essential, part of the social fabric of the industrialized and developing worlds.

[11:40] Buffy Beale: yes agree

[11:40] Aphilo Aarde: Are there ways, using this example, to spread its idea - to evoke it - in ways more urgently than is happening? Probably, but not

[11:41] Aphilo Aarde: obviously (to me) engaging information technologies.

[11:41] Buffy Beale: World University is a foundation for whats to come

[11:42] Aphilo Aarde: Or to use other examples, how have some ideas which seem not so significant in the context of modernity, as say an open university and school, spread

[11:42] Aphilo Aarde: ?

[11:42] Buffy Beale: using the technology to provide free education

[11:43] Aphilo Aarde: I hope there will be a lot of world universities and schools ... there's so much to learn and think about... and although world university and schools vision is far-reaching and will cover a lot, I think, there's still much more room for more universities and schools.

[11:43] Buffy Beale: in a medium (online) that will be mainstream in a few years

[11:43] Aphilo Aarde: There are an amazing number of budding educaitonal projects online!

[11:44] Buffy Beale: yes, and we must stay current if we are to reach the next generation is my belief

[11:44] Aphilo Aarde: If this is what we're talking about in terms of social innovation to use a specific education example, it's already happen ...

[11:44] Buffy Beale: but... not the collaboration part hasn't

[11:44] Aphilo Aarde: How then to bring these all together and make them high quality.

[11:44] Buffy Beale: yes

[11:44] Buffy Beale: thats the next phase of this revolution

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: The great thing about wiki technologies, is that they welcome new ideas produced by anyone - so they are very current -

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: but, more importantly, they are GENERATIVE

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: as is the web, so they generate CURRENTNESS and INNOVATION

[11:45] Buffy Beale: yes would be useless if not kept current, like using old textbooks

[11:46] You decline Apr 24 & 25 Early Music Weekend with Thom Dowd at Music Island from A group member named Kate Miranda.

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: by making the conversation in real time and

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: editable by all through a group knowledge production process - think Wikipedia with its around 272 languages.

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: Textbooks too are at World University and School, for example,

[11:47] Aphilo Aarde: and will be, I think, kept current because of wiki, when people start to engage these open, free University and Schools.

[11:48] Buffy Beale: yes but that will present another problem

[11:48] Aphilo Aarde: Here are a number of different links at WuaS after I searched on 'textbooks' -

[11:48] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:49] Buffy Beale: that off the information which is not validated or correct

[11:49] Aphilo Aarde: There are one or two explicit text book sections, where people can add new textbook links, as well as collaborate on textbooks

[11:49] Buffy Beale: or, perhaps the community will self monitor?

[11:49] Aphilo Aarde: Good point, Buffy ...

[11:49] Buffy Beale: the wiki community

[11:50] Aphilo Aarde: I think people can tend to the credible on the way, and teachers, too, who are responsible for teaching ...

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: so MIT Open Course Ware, although not yet wiki, is an example of open, free, credible content, which like MIT textbooks, I would trust.

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: So people have to become selective, but people can base this selectivity on history.

[11:51] Buffy Beale: so building trust is important then

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: And wikipedia has handled the question of credibility and quailty

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: , while not a textbook, through

[11:52] Aphilo Aarde: a information technological variety of processes

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: including the idea of the encyclopedia, its neutral point of view

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: a talk page, stewards, citation practices,

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: saving each edit, and the ability to see every change made

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: the ability to lock pages ...

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: Do we trust wikipedia?

[11:54] Buffy Beale: good question. I do for the most part

[11:54] Aphilo Aarde: I think many people online go to Wikipedia first, as a starting place, when interested in knowledge related information

[11:55] Buffy Beale: hmmm. I think they search google or yahoo

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: No books yet at on Wikipedia, for example

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: probably first, buffy

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: you're right

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: but there are a fair number of papers -

[11:56] Buffy Beale: so why is that then?

[11:56] Aphilo Aarde: Why no books on Wikipedia (that I know of - as I'm a main aggregator of webnographers)?

[11:56] Aphilo Aarde: There are some books on wikinomics and related questions.

[11:57] Aphilo Aarde: I think someone who has written a number of papers about wikipedia may be the first

[11:57] Aphilo Aarde: book writer about wikipedia ... just a matter of time, I imagine.

[11:58] Aphilo Aarde: So urgency of idea spreading is curious because it isn't predictable.

[11:58] Aphilo Aarde: And yet ideas do spread like wild flower ... sometimes arbitrarily - the Tulip Mania in Holland is one example, when tulips became very desirable, and prices went very high!

[11:59] Aphilo Aarde: But cost isn't an issue with digital technologies to speak of

[11:59] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:59] Buffy Beale: Yes, with the likes of twitter and facebook ideas can take off

[12:00] Buffy Beale: one tells another who tells another...

[12:00] Aphilo Aarde: The idea of democracy is another fairly wide spread idea, and valued ... as curious as its history has been, from ancient Greece to the present, now in conjunction with the internet.

[12:01] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, and this is amplified by the media, the power of symbols ... in one to many communication - eg TV and radio and now many to many communication which is the internet.

[12:01] A group member named Kate Miranda owned by the group 'Music Island Concerts' gave you Music Island, Sea Turtle Island (52, 11, 21).

[12:01] Aphilo Aarde: Nice to converse with you ... Let's take a little break, and come back in 10 minutes

[12:01] Buffy Beale: kk

[12:01] Aphilo Aarde: and we can continue ...

[12:02] Buffy Beale: brb afk

[12:02] Aphilo Aarde: 12 after -ish ... see you in 10

[12:02] Aphilo Aarde: minutes

[12:12] Aphilo Aarde: Hi again

[12:13] Buffy Beale: back

[12:13] Aphilo Aarde: Are you in Canada? Do I remember correctly?

[12:13] Buffy Beale: my clock is 1 min off lol

[12:13] Buffy Beale: yes British Columbia

[12:14] Buffy Beale: currently living on a small island in the wilds

[12:14] Aphilo Aarde: :) sunny or rainy today?

[12:14] Buffy Beale: both :)

[12:14] Aphilo Aarde: sounds beautiful ... and with internet ... it's sunny in Second Life, and today with mountains ...

[12:14] Aphilo Aarde: A new development

[12:15] Aphilo Aarde: rainbows, then, with sun and rain?

[12:15] Buffy Beale: today is Beach CleanUp day, I get to unload bags of plastic bits I've collected from my beach walks

[12:15] Buffy Beale: yes some awesome rainbows here

[12:15] Aphilo Aarde: sounds like an enjoyable walk, in addition to the good work

[12:15] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:15] Aphilo Aarde: Which island?

[12:15] Buffy Beale: and it's like living in a postcard

[12:15] Buffy Beale: Quadra Island

[12:15] Aphilo Aarde: I can only imagine ... sounds lovely ... don't know it ...

[12:16] Buffy Beale: we have a wonderful community

[12:16] Buffy Beale: and caring people who speak out against violations against our environment

[12:16] Aphilo Aarde: Well, I would have continued to examine studies which both defined questions of sociality

[12:16] Buffy Beale: one of the first to stop using plastic bags for instance

[12:17] Aphilo Aarde: and were among the first about the internet in the mid 90s, but many folks are not here, so it might be

[12:17] Aphilo Aarde: Stopping to use plastic bags, and lessen the build up in landfills has great merit.

[12:18] Aphilo Aarde: Some plastic bags have come along since earth day in 68 which were biodegradable

[12:18] Aphilo Aarde: , but more expensive, and not as convenient ... so haven't been widely adopted,

[12:19] Aphilo Aarde: and the ethos has changed from idealism to pragmatics over these decades, as I see it ...

[12:19] Aphilo Aarde: but let's look more explicitly as some examples

[12:19] Aphilo Aarde: of social innovation in the history of the internet,

[12:19] Buffy Beale: great

[12:19] Aphilo Aarde: to further a question you were asking ...

[12:19] Aphilo Aarde: about earlier in this course ...

[12:20] Aphilo Aarde: We began this course by asking

[12:20] Aphilo Aarde: "What is Information Technology?"

[12:20] Aphilo Aarde: What came about?

[12:20] Aphilo Aarde: Who did it?

[12:20] Aphilo Aarde: Its history

[12:21] Aphilo Aarde: occluding, initially, the history of the internet

[12:21] Aphilo Aarde: We looked a l ittle at its Geography - where many of these innovations developed - and this significance - socially, too

[12:22] Aphilo Aarde: And we've been asking in an ongoing way

[12:22] Aphilo Aarde: What has been the process of diffusion into the economy and society.

[12:22] Aphilo Aarde: And we also have looked at some key historical developments vis-a-vis brad societal and economic trends.

[12:23] Aphilo Aarde: To understand some of its social implications

[12:23] Aphilo Aarde: it's helpful to ask what technology actually is

[12:24] Aphilo Aarde: The definition I use in this course, I draw from Manuel Castells, who

[12:24] Aphilo Aarde: in turn draws it from Harvey Brooks, who draws it from Daniel Bell.

[12:24] Aphilo Aarde: Technology is the use of scientific knowledge to specify ways of doing things in a reproducible manner.

[12:26] Aphilo Aarde: but the changes that occur CLUSTER together to form a system, coming together to reinforce each other.

[12:27] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[12:27] Connected

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: For example, this occurred in Britain in the late 18th century.

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: signficantly.

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: In the Industrial Revolution

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: around technologies to generate and distribute energy and power.

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: Many other discoveries occur concurrently ... e.g. here chemical, mechanical, etc ...

[12:28] Buffy Beale: one idea leads to another

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: That these cluster together around a major theme is what makes these processes into a Technological Revolution.

[12:29] Aphilo Aarde: And while this occurred in Britain in the late 18th century,

[12:29] Aphilo Aarde: there was a second MAJOR revolution

[12:30] Aphilo Aarde: in the late 19th century - clustering around electricity

[12:30] Aphilo Aarde: in the U.S. and Germany, especially ...

[12:30] Aphilo Aarde: And this technological revolution around electricity

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: was linked to a chemical revolution in the late 19th century, too

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: which is critical to understanding the way we do things.

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: The information technological revolution started in the beginning of the 20th century.

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: with the INVENTION of the telephone by Bell in 1876

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: the radio by Marconi in 1898

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: And the vacuum tube by de Forest in 1906 - which led to transitors

[12:33] Aphilo Aarde: (For these historical developments, see Alfred Chandler's "Nation of Information" (2000)

[12:34] Aphilo Aarde: And these technological revolutions -we've mentioned three - have long precedents

[12:34] Aphilo Aarde: as systems clustering together technologies

[12:34] Buffy Beale: this is very helpful thank you

[12:35] Aphilo Aarde: (It will help contextualize social networking innovations, as well as World University and School )

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: In the mid 1970s, the Information Technology revolution, with these significant precedents of two previous industrial revolutions)

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: as a system became apparent

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: And this system had 2 features

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: as do all technological revolutions

[12:37] Aphilo Aarde: 1 PERVASIVE

[12:37] Aphilo Aarde: the effects of technological revolutions on economy and society are PERVASIVE

[12:38] Aphilo Aarde: The paradigm infuses into the entire realm of society and economy.

[12:38] Aphilo Aarde: For example, the steam engine allowed one to do things ina specific way you couldn't do before through the entire social structure.

[12:39] Aphilo Aarde: 2 The second thing about this IT revolution was there was a fundamental change at the core in GENERATING and changing INFORMATION

[12:40] Aphilo Aarde: The information technology revolution is about INFORMATION, a derivation from the

[12:40] Aphilo Aarde: Industrial Revolutions.

[12:41] Aphilo Aarde: So this new paradigm which emerges with the Information Technology Revolutions is based on three technologies

[12:41] Aphilo Aarde: 1 MICROELECTRONICS

[12:41] Aphilo Aarde: 2 COMPUTERS

[12:41] Aphilo Aarde: 3TELECOMMUNICATIONS

[12:42] Aphilo Aarde: (and 4 GENETIC ENGINEERING - the decoding and reprogramming of the information codes of living matter, which we won't get into too much detail in this course).


[12:43] Aphilo Aarde: Microelectroincs is the foundation of the Information Revolution

[12:43] Buffy Beale: where would Augmented Reality fit in?

[12:43] Aphilo Aarde: And this can be traced back to the vacuum tube (which is electronics, not micro)

[12:44] Aphilo Aarde: where a series of electorinc impulses able to process in a binary mode of amplification and interruption

[12:44] Aphilo Aarde: And which led to the transistor

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: where chips have millions of transistors

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: augmented reality

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: Augmented reality (AR) is a term for a live direct or indirect view of a physical real-world environment whose elements are augmented by virtual computer-generated imagery. It is related to a more general concept called mediated reality in which a view of reality is modified (possibly even diminished rather than augmented) by a computer.

[12:46] Aphilo Aarde: emerges directly from the developments which

[12:46] Aphilo Aarde: emerge from these three technologies:

[12:46] Aphilo Aarde: 1) Microelectronics, 2) Computers, and 3) Telecommunications

[12:47] Buffy Beale: ok get it

[12:47] Aphilo Aarde: The term augmented reality is believed to have been coined in 1990 by Thomas Caudell, an employee of Boeing at the time[1].

[12:48] Aphilo Aarde: It's the INTEGRATION of circuits on chips - how to squeeze more circuits into tinier spaces that has been so significant in the advances of microelectronics,

[12:48] Aphilo Aarde: and makes possible remarkable applications of augmented reality

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: So, in 1947, the transistor was invented at Bell Labs

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: by Schockley, Bratain and Bardeen

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: It was a government arrangement

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: Microelectronics was in the public domain.

[12:50] Aphilo Aarde: Transistors were much smaller than the vacuum tube.

[12:50] Buffy Beale: I remember my first transistor radio :)

[12:50] Aphilo Aarde: And transistors lead to chip development -

[12:50] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:51] Aphilo Aarde: and the microprocessor ... which we may look at next week .

[12:51] Aphilo Aarde: Next week will be the last week for this course ...

[12:51] Buffy Beale: wow

[12:51] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:51] Buffy Beale: that went fast whens the next one?

[12:51] Buffy Beale: :)

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: World University and School hopes to offer courses in the autumn, and I may teach this course, or another then, too.

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: We'll see ...

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: Observations? Questions?

[12:52] Buffy Beale: lots

[12:53] Aphilo Aarde: Thoughts about the second half of today's course? ... in the last 8 minutes?

[12:53] Buffy Beale: sure

[12:53] Buffy Beale: I'm glad you brought me back on topic, I was going down the route of how to capitolize on the internet

[12:53] Buffy Beale: get social innovators connected

[12:54] Buffy Beale: but see that in order to do that, we need to understand how it workds

[12:54] Buffy Beale: *works

[12:54] Buffy Beale: the platform and the people

[12:54] Aphilo Aarde: How to capitalize on the internet is done richly through hardware

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: Socially, people can too ... yahoo, google, apple software, microsoft software ... all inform networks

[12:56] Aphilo Aarde: agreed ... but even folks like Bill Gates have unique expressions of the "How it works" questions.

[12:56] Aphilo Aarde: He's the second richest man in the world, apparently.

[12:56] Buffy Beale: he is one of my mentors

[12:56] Buffy Beale: because he had a vision and he made it happen

[12:56] Buffy Beale: one computer on every desk in every office in every home

[12:56] Buffy Beale: well just about, not counting digital divide

[12:57] Aphilo Aarde: Gates' justice department :) paper is here at -

[12:57] Buffy Beale: of course it is :)

[12:57] Buffy Beale: So my last thought is, now that we have all these connections taking place

[12:58] Aphilo Aarde: The digital divide suggests that the IT revolution will continue robustly in a financial sense ...

[12:58] Buffy Beale: how will they be so that one talks to all, not just many

[12:58] Aphilo Aarde: How can one person talk to many via Internet technologies? A Gates, for example?

[12:59] Aphilo Aarde: Or blogging technologies, where everyone would have to be reading one person's blog?

[12:59] Buffy Beale: well going back to the examples, google microsoft etc, he would just be talking to microsoft in a way

[12:59] Aphilo Aarde: I don't know who is the most read blogger - a good example of one talking to all ... wouldn't it be?

[13:00] Buffy Beale: yes I suppose

[13:00] Buffy Beale: it's one way though

[13:00] Aphilo Aarde: I think some heads of corporations talk to audience beyond their own corporations, don't you think?

[13:00] Buffy Beale: sure

[13:01] Buffy Beale: but if they had a social innovation would they be talking to all social innovators?

[13:01] Aphilo Aarde: And Gates' philanthropy - the richest philanthropy, he's the most generous giver ever, I think - is a way, too.

[13:01] Buffy Beale: yes, he supports many including TechSoup which provides reduced priced software for nonprofits

[13:02] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, perhaps ... who are perhaps the most visible thus far in the Information Technology Revolution, besides Gates and Jobs ... ?

[13:02] Aphilo Aarde: True

[13:02] Buffy Beale: good question

[13:02] Aphilo Aarde: Someone like Andrew Carnegie, of steel mill fame,

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde: And the Medicis to go back to the Italian Renaissance ... ?

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde: gave libraries and music halls in a very far-reaching way ... so about information and public and free

[13:04] Aphilo Aarde: They gave a lot ... and what a flourishing time that was culturally, artistically and intellectually !

[13:04] Buffy Beale: yes for sure

[13:04] Aphilo Aarde: yes for sure

[13:04] Buffy Beale: :)

[13:04] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[13:04] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks for coming!

[13:05] Buffy Beale: Thanks to you Aphilo, you've really opened my eyes to new thoughts and ideas

[13:05] Buffy Beale: sparking me :)

[13:05] Aphilo Aarde: Glad we can converse

[13:05] Buffy Beale: yes me too

[13:05] Aphilo Aarde: Hi Zeus!

[13:05] Zeus Papp: hi there

[13:05] Buffy Beale: Hi Zeus

[13:05] Aphilo Aarde: Next week is the last "Information TEchnology and Society" class

[13:06] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:06] Aphilo Aarde: See you then perhaps!

[13:06] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome Zeus

[13:06] Zeus Papp: do you actually have classes here?

[13:06] Buffy Beale: yes for sure, take care and have a delightful week

[13:06] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[13:06] Buffy Beale: sure do Zeus

[13:06] Aphilo Aarde: Interesting classes are held here, Zeus

[13:06] Zeus Papp: How often?

[13:07] Aphilo Aarde: Harvard Professor Charlie Nesson has taught a class

[13:07] Aphilo Aarde: on Law in the court of Public Opinion, and other classes have happened here, as well

[13:07] Aphilo Aarde: since at least 2006.

[13:07] Buffy Beale: I'm off, see yo soon Aphilo, thanks again

[13:07] Aphilo Aarde: There's sometimes a class here once a semester

[13:07] Aphilo Aarde: Bye Buffy

[13:08] Buffy Beale: :)

[13:08] Aphilo Aarde: but classes happen here a little irregularly, in my experience

[13:08] Zeus Papp: how many 'students' attend those classes?

[13:08] Aphilo Aarde: In a "Virtual Worlds" class which Rebecca Nesson taught, I saw a full simulation

[13:09] Aphilo Aarde: I think - 40 ish at one point ...the maximum number of students

[13:09] Aphilo Aarde: In my classes - I've taught here for 4 or 5 semesters - between 5 and 10 students, often

[13:09] Aphilo Aarde: Are you a professor?

[13:09] Zeus Papp: OK thats interesting

[13:10] Zeus Papp: Yes I work at a teachers college

[13:10] Aphilo Aarde: Great ... teaching English as a Second Language? (in your profile)

[13:11] Zeus Papp: Right. And one of my classes is a distance teaching class as we call it. I'm looking for an interesting place to meet with my students.

[13:11] Aphilo Aarde: You might be interested in the budding World University and School.

[13:11] Aphilo Aarde: It's open, free and 'edit this page" - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware and UC Berkeley webcasts, and much more

[13:12] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:12] Aphilo Aarde: Interesting ...

[13:12] Aphilo Aarde: Virtual worlds are ideal.

[13:12] Zeus Papp: Sounds interesting. I've tried Skype, of course, and Adobe connect - but we lack the 3D dimension

[13:12] Aphilo Aarde: Have you visited the Goethe Institute's German class and conversation opportunities in Second Life?

[13:13] Zeus Papp: No - where do I find it?

[13:13] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:13] Aphilo Aarde: It's free, and I've added it to World University and School above

[13:13] Zeus Papp: OK -I might check it out

[13:14] Aphilo Aarde: The conversation opportunities, with a native speaker, meet 6 days a week, as I understand it

[13:14] Aphilo Aarde: at 8a Second Life Time - M-F

[13:14] Zeus Papp: Sounds good!

[13:14] Aphilo Aarde: and on Sundays at something like at 11am SLT

[13:14] Aphilo Aarde: and the once-a-week class meets at perhaps 9a (or 8a) on Tuesdays I think.

[13:14] Zeus Papp: Don't you think the idea of dressing up as an avatar spoils the idea of a serious meeting place

[13:15] Aphilo Aarde: (Conversation may actually happen at 7aSLT, actually - m-f)

[13:16] Aphilo Aarde: No I think avatar mediated communication enhances digital communication significantly over any other kind of digital communication, (and especially because you can have more than 2 avatars together)

[13:16] Aphilo Aarde: I see Second Life, for example, as simpy a forum, in one sense, with voice and type chat ... so focusing language learning opportunites.

[13:17] Zeus Papp: I think you need to explain that a bit further. Why 2 avatars?

[13:17] Aphilo Aarde: And of course, one can stream video into Second Life.

[13:17] Aphilo Aarde: Virtual islands can hold up to 40 avatars. Skype, by contrast, can only do 1-1 video.

[13:17] Aphilo Aarde: So you can have a class.

[13:18] Zeus Papp: How do you see all these different costumes as learning potential? I understand the video and midia part

[13:18] Aphilo Aarde: I haven't tried multiple 'real' faces on a screen yet for teaching, but that requires a lot of bandwidth.

[13:19] Zeus Papp: That's where it gets interesting seen from a teacher's point of view, I think

[13:19] Aphilo Aarde: Costumes and clothing are fun, changeable, and interesting ... perhaps in making clothing together in a foreign language, students might further their language skills

[13:20] Zeus Papp: OK - you might have a point there!

[13:20] Aphilo Aarde: but I think its type chat and voice that are the real strength - avatar appearance is secondary in my experience ... it's the word vector nature of Second LIfe - voice and type that's so great.

[13:20] Aphilo Aarde: How would clothes add in your experience?

[13:20] Zeus Papp: I see!

[13:23] Zeus Papp: When teaching theory of education and methodology, I can't really see the relevance of hiding behind avatars

[13:23] Aphilo Aarde: I don't know of any rich aggregates of web links of language teaching in Second Life yet

[13:23] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, and with virtual worlds, you don't need to be in the same place ... a remarkable development thanks to information technologies.

[13:24] Zeus Papp: You're absolutely right. In fact, I teach students from many places in Europe

[13:24] Zeus Papp: which is why I need an interesting virtual meeting place

[13:25] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[13:25] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:25] Zeus Papp: But many people don't think SL is a serious place to meet

[13:25] Aphilo Aarde: I just added more content here ... with some avatar learning links ... a starting place to see what else is 'out there'

[13:25] Aphilo Aarde: Yet it's a remarkable word vector - voice and type

[13:26] Zeus Papp: Thanks for your links, I save them and will return to them

[13:26] Aphilo Aarde: And people need at least a gig of ram, as well as bandwidth, as well as to become familiar with the program .

[13:26] Aphilo Aarde: yw

[13:26] Zeus Papp: I don't think that's a problem if you sign up for distance teaching

[13:27] Aphilo Aarde: People might have thought the car wasn't a serious mode of conveyance in 1920, either, by comparison, - I think people will come to see the utility of virtual worlds.

[13:28] Zeus Papp: No doubt about that - I just wonder if SL is the best place

[13:29] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ... if you check out World University and School's Subjects ... you'll the possibility for multiple virtual worlds ... but I don't know of a different one, or anyone, where language learning is excelling ... and Second Life works and has a sizable community of users and builders ... so it's one viable option.

[13:29] Aphilo Aarde: I'd certainly continue to inquire around, and find all the options.

[13:30] Zeus Papp: OK - you've given me lots of good advice and links.

[13:30] Aphilo Aarde: I don't know of any others ... but if you go to the Goethe Institute's classes, they might know of other virtual worlds ... I'd go to a lot of different languages classes in SL and ask what they've heard about ...

[13:30] Aphilo Aarde: :) yw

[13:30] Aphilo Aarde: Nice to meet you.

[13:31] Aphilo Aarde: And SL is also free.

[13:31] Aphilo Aarde: I'm planning to post this transcript for future reference

[13:31] Zeus Papp: I might do that one day. Thanks for all you help so far. There's a Clint Eastwood film coming up on my local channe so I'd better stop here

[13:31] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:31] Aphilo Aarde: Enjoy ... bye for now.

[13:32] Zeus Papp: You're welcome to do that!

[13:32] Zeus Papp: Bye

( - April 24, 2010)

Friday, April 23, 2010

Mother Eagle: The "We, the People," 'edit this page' World University and School wiki will focus a lot of great, academic software emerging these days

The "We, the People," 'edit this page' World University and School wiki will focus a lot of great, academic software emerging these days at a great, internet university.

( - April 23, 2010)

Pitta: Letter to interested Academic in World University and School, with a science background

Dear Sati,

Nice to meet you at the Stanford John Barton Memorial and Drug Development and International Access Conference in April. I'm glad you emailed. I don't know of any positions in BioTech at present. Your qualifications in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology are impressive, however.

The nascent, open, free, 'edit this page' World University & School is like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware and UC Berkeley webcasts, and much more – potentially in all languages, nation states, subjects and levels – and, like Wikipedia, WUaS seeking to build a large volunteer community and an open, flourishing conversation about ideas through group knowledge production, but also to become a degree-granting university with time. Matriculating classes for Bachelor, Medical, Law and Ph.D. degrees may begin in 2014, perhaps by partnering with UC Berkeley and other great universities. As financial resources develop, WUaS will focus its development on these intern positions: As you'll also see on this page, WUaS is seeking fundraisers at this time. WUaS offers an opportunity, at present, to focus developing one's knowledge in an open subject, to teach an open class to the web, and even to create a subject in this developing world university. Simply add content, for example, to this link by clicking 'edit this page': and/or here: and openly Teach, Add, Learn.
Please join this Google Group - - and Facebook Groups –, where you'll find more information. I can share with you the open, moderator lists if you're interested.

As WUaS develops, I'd love to get your insights into developing an Indian World University & School, in all its languages, even – Wikipedia-like. Like One Laptop per Child, WUaS will also seek to negotiate financially, eventually, with governments around the world for this remarkable, World University and School open, free-to-students, educational resource.

Let's converse further about your knowledge interests and World University and School over time.


( - April 23, 2010)

Shining Cuckoo: A trillion trees by 2020, Move much commerce into virtual worlds quickly due to climate change, Diverse 125th Stanford Class

John Perry Barlow asks in FB:

What happens if we people of Earth plant a trillion trees by 2020? See here:


Where are these scenarios being modeled online? What happens if the icecaps were starting to melt dramatically, and societies around the world didn't want this, and we had to move much commerce into virtual worlds in very short order? How and where can we see models for this, and we the people, give input about, and shape, possible action to change this?



What happens if the icecaps start melting dramatically?

Here's the possibility to share ideas about this at World University and School:


Incoming, prospective, Stanford, Freshman students are visiting campus today. Diverse, smart, undecided, who will attend great Stanford? And eventually possibly work with

They're the class of 2014 - and will be about the 119th Stanford class; Stanford was founded 1891. The day is sunny here :)


(I was visiting Stanford to hear a talk by Harvard's Richard Wrangham, Professor of Biological Anthropology).


New Zealand species:

( - April 23, 2010)

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Yellow and Blue Fish: But all of these pools are slightly different in virtual Harbin. Avatar soaking, and avatar swimming in the swimming pool occur

Harbin ethnography:

... The actual swimming pool in the Harbin Pool Area at actual Harbin is very nice on summer days,

But all of these pools are slightly different in virtual Harbin. Avatar soaking, and avatar swimming in the swimming pool occur due to animations. And in virtual Harbin, kids can explore many pools, if their actual parents help them with the adult grid, or they are in the teen grid.

( - October 22, 2010)

Happy Baby Primates: The role of acting, or performance, in eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology, naturally, as practice

Concerning eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology, naturally, when and as you want it, I haven't explored in this blog the role of acting, or performance, in doing this, especially as practice.

For example, you see an actress go to bliss in a performance, and you go there, too, as observer. Learning how to elicit loving bliss neurophysiology is both possible for self and other, as acting and as in acting.

Why isn't this much more widespread as practice, if bliss is one of the best experiences there is?

Let's explore this and make it happen.

( - April 22, 2010)

Elm Seed Sails: Life is all biology and language

Life is biology and language (e.g. I like writing {which is language} about the Harbin warm pool and the relaxation response {which is biology}).

We learn some aspects of virtue through choosing the language and discourses we engage, carefully {which is agency}.

Language gave rise to knowledge, cities, technologies, books, art, and is a form of music ...

( - April 22, 2010)

Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Wild Grapes: The Heart-shaped pool has two kids playing in it with their Mom nearby, as you walk toward it

Harbin ethnography:

... Rose finds the pools and this possibility wonderful, and says so.

The Heart-shaped pool has two kids playing in it with their Mom nearby, as you walk toward it. The kids are talking with each other, which people can do in the Heart-shaped pool, but not in the warm, hot or cold pools. Kids are only allowed in the Heart-shaped pool and the swimming pool, and only from 10a-8p, because these pools have shallow parts, and kids can also be noisy. As a retreat, Harbin would like most of the the pools, and Harbin itself, to remain quiet, and generally free of kids. The very cold pool, near the Heart-shaped pool, was just put in, and redone, in around 2008, and is located right outside the sauna and the steam room, which were also built in around 2007. Step heatedly out of the very hot sauna or the steam room, and descend into the cold plunge, and become alive. The 7th pond, a little fish and lily pond lie between the warm pool and the entrance to the sauna. Rose smiles warmly at the kids.

( - April 21, 2010)

Red Cuillin: Fettes College, Edinburgh, Scotland, 1976-1977, Old Fettesian Notes and World University

Dear Mrs. Beaumont,

Thank you for this inquiry. It's enjoyable to revisit this time at Fettes College in Scotland in my memory. I would very much like to let many Fettesians know of World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware and UC Berkeley webcasts - where people can also teach to their web cameras, as well as interactively in virtual worlds like Second Life. I hope degree granting will emerge with matriculating university classes in 2014. At present, it's an open, free university and school, and will continue so. There's even a budding music school.


'Scott' Gordon K MacLeod

From: Beaumont, Mrs DA
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:03 AM
Subject: Fettes College Website and Careers Day

Dear OF,

We are looking for your help with the following requests:

The Fettes College website (, is currently being completely redesigned and will feature a section on ‘Fettes People’, which will cover current staff, governors, selected current pupils and OFs.

The Careers Department are also looking to create OF Profiles to be used on future Careers Day events

If you are happy to be featured on either the Fettes website or on Careers Day, please answer the questions below and email your responses to me - a photograph would also be appreciated.

Thank you,


Mrs Dawn Beaumont ׀ Old Fettesian Association Co-ordinator ׀ ( 0131 311 6741 ׀8

Fettes College, OFA Office, Edinburgh EH4 1QX

Name: Gordon K. MacLeod III ( - I was known by the name 'Gordon' that year, although I have always otherwise been called by my nickname Scott or Scotty).

House and Years at Fettes: Kimmerghame House, 1st year 6th, 1976-1977

Qualifications and career: I have a Master's Degree in sociocultural Anthropology. I've taught college, most recently a course on "Information Technology and Society" on Harvard's virtual island in Second Life.

I'm presently developing the free, open, 'edit this page' World University & School - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware - potentially in all languages, countries, subjects and levels. World University's web address is here: I would very much like to let many Fettesians know of World University and School and this opportunity for people also to teach to their web cameras, as well as interactively in virtual worlds like Second Life. I hope virtual, free classes for credit, and eventual degree-granting, will emerge with matriculating students in 2014. At present, it's an open, free university and school without credit or degrees, although WUaS does list a free Harvard Doctoral Degree for 25 positions in 2011 and 2012 in education: There are even budding music, medical and law schools at World University & School:

What is your most cherished memory from your time at Fettes?

The milieu of beautiful Fettes - its buildings and grounds, Kimmerghame House and the main building, Scots' accents, making friends - especially coming from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which was a very different 'world.'

And your least?

Being an 'outsider' can be unknowingly difficult, - unfamiliar with Fettesian and Scots' cultural patterns as I was.

Were you awarded a scholarship at Fettes and if so, what did it mean to you? N/A

What event or personality left a lasting impression on you?

I enjoyed the atmosphere of good will which our Housemaster and Housemistress, Mr. and Mrs. George Preston, created in Kimmerghame House. I also enjoyed getting to know the Headmaster and his wife, Mr. and Mrs. Chenevix-Trench, through a cooking class Mrs. Chenevix-Trench taught where they lived. And I also enjoyed playing in the Fettes College Pipes & Drums. When competing against Gordonstoun in 1977, we took second place in piping; just starting to grow a spotty beard then, and coming out of liberal America, which had slightly less emphasis on Dress than a Scots' Pipe Band does, I hadn't shaved, and the judge commented on this. I wondered if this contributed to our taking second prize, instead of a first, because we were playing well. We also piped in the Edinburgh Castle, which was exciting for a 17 year old from the States.

Were you a conscientious student?

In some respects.

Outside the classroom, how did you spend your free time at Fettes?

Traveling. I visited family friends, the Cuthbertsons on holiday in a hunting lodge in the very north of Scotland near John O'Groats, the MacKays and Schradings in Edinburgh, and I spent some time on the Isle of Mull, camping in a tent in windy April, and I also visited friends I made at Fettes in their families' homes in Scotland.

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From: Beaumont, Mrs DA
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:27 AM
To: smacleod
Subject: RE: Fettes College Website and Careers Day

Dear Scott,

Thank you and if you have a photo we could use that would be perfect.

As I am currently editing this year’s OF Newsletter, I plan to include your free, open, 'edit this page' World University & School – I hope that is ok.

George Preston popped in to the OF Office yesterday – he usually visits me weekly to check I’m doing the job properly and then he departed for a swim at Westwoods.

With best wishes and again thank you,


(April 22, 2010)

Dear Dawn,

Thank you for your email. I'm attaching a photo. Please do let OFs know widely of World University and School. It will be exciting when many people start to contribute to this 'we make it' World University & School, and particularly great if many Fettesians found enjoyment in doing this, as Fettesians are a talented population. (Wikipedia, by way of comparison, has 14 million articles and is in something like
272 languages, and we all are doing this together thanks to information technologies like wiki). Warm greetings to George (and Olive) Preston.


( - April 21, 2010)

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

Seven Lakes: Near the Harbin warm pool in the pool area, which is so central to Harbin life, are 6 other pools

Harbin ethnography:

... but you'll head to the Heart/Warm Pool/Pool Area soon because Rose hasn't been there yet.

You both take off your clothes and put them under the Arbor on a bench, and you begin to show Rose the pools. Near the Harbin warm pool in the pool area, which is so central to Harbin life, are 6 other pools (Figure 1.2 and SLURL). Above the warm pool is the amazingly just-right-too-hot and beautiful hot pool, where, under its roof, the hot water which warms the warm pool, emerges from a beautiful whale sculpture in metal, which the actual Bubblemeister made. Above it, and very close by with forest all around, is the cold pool, which always has fresh flowers, like both the warm and hot pools, too. Together, these three pools, as I see it, are a kind of natural perfection, set in a tiny side valley, in forest, from which the geothermal activity of hot water which shapes all of life at Harbin bubbles up out of the ground. In actual life, I sometimes explore eliciting bliss naturally, after easing deeply for some time into a kind of natural relaxation response in the body-temperature, beautiful, warm pool, often with many couples cuddling naked. I then proceed into the hot pool, and which sometimes almost of the shock of the heat, makes me smile, and experience and explore that bliss-related neurophysiology. After usually no more than 2 or 3 minutes – the water is that manageably hot, I walk very slowly, while cultivating the yogic relaxation pose, out of the hot pool house's door, up the stairs to the right, releasing all the while – sometimes making the chimes that are hanging from the tree sound, and then walk down the steps into the cold pool. This almost-too-cold experience also can elicit what I experience as, and call, the neurophysiology of natural, bliss neurochemistry in my own bodymind. I'll then sometimes go back and forth between these two pools, walking and releasing all the while, as I welcome wave-like what I experience as this bliss neurochemistry, - on and on. This developing bliss-experience is a little like changing, elated 'moods' of weather, during this to-and-fro movement between the two pools. I don't 'peak' all the time, but my inner weather can get remarkably sunny and radiant for some time. The process, as I experience it and have learned, involves both actively releasing myself, as if into the relaxation response, as well as welcoming this chemistry on, as and when it comes. This process is very enjoyable, and the hot and cold waters, the cleanliness, the other quiet people, also naked, the forest, the naturalness, all contribute remarkably to the milieu in which I explore this wonderful aspect of being human, – this natural, neurophysiological bliss. In this book, with its virtual Harbin focus, I want to explore ways in which people can elicit this pool neurophysiology, in virtual Harbin and in conjunction with digital technologies, without the Harbin pools. Rose finds the pools and this possibility wonderful, and says so.

The Heart-shaped pool has two kids playing in it with their Mom nearby ...

( - April 20 2010)

Monday, April 19, 2010

Orange Bird of Paradise: Medical, Law, Music Schools' start, Beings Enjoying Life, Creativity, Electrical & Chemical Engineering

Medical, Law, Music Schools' starts at and Beings Enjoying Life, Creativity, Electrical & Chemical Engineering & will grow.

Teach, Create, Add, Learn at WUaS


an open, free people-to-people is kind of a Berkeley teach-in thing ... music jams in virtual worlds too will grow


Added 'Virtual Choir,' - & 'Investing-Socially Responsible,' & 'Yoga' subjects/content -


want to add & develop World Univ & Sch in your language? Let WUaS and me know, & we'll do it together, - a good way to start an open school


Three beginning World University Schools - Law, Medicine, and Music -


What is a WIKI? Organize digitally together - Edit - Write - Save > Check out and Edit, Write, Save

( - April 19, 2010)

Sunday, April 18, 2010

Water Flower: What's the 'how-to' of eliciting bliss neurophysiology, right now?

What's the 'how-to' of eliciting bliss neurophysiology right now?

... as if taking ecstasy (mdma), but naturally ... {listening to music is as close as it gets that I know of ... }

Neither the internet and computing nor mdma were conceivable for thousands of generations ...

Both are fascinating innovations. Why not 'loving bliss' neurophysiology when and as one wants it, naturally?


( - April 18, 2010)

Saturday, April 17, 2010

Evolution Basin Sunrise: Effects of the Internet on Sociality, Empirical Research, Sociality Increases

Welcome to Information Technology and Society

Week 11

Here's the wiki with course material:

In this class we'll focus on how the information technology revolution developed, especially vis-a-vis long time Berkeley Professor Manuel Castells' research on the Network Society, as well as - a wiki bibliography on virtual ethnography.

I invite your questions, and I'll post a version of the text from each class to over the weeks.

There's already a lot of information on this wiki, which will develop with this class.

And please join the Google Group for World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware -

[10:40] Aphilo Aarde: Hello

[11:01] Aphilo Aarde: Hi Buffy!

[11:01] Buffy Beale: Hi!

[11:02] Buffy Beale: thinking I should switch to my other computer this one is wireless and laggy

[11:02] Buffy Beale: brb

[11:02] Aphilo Aarde: sounds good

[11:03] Aphilo Aarde: Greetings Andromeda!

[11:03] Andromeda Mesmer: Hi, Aphilo!

[11:04] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome Back!

[11:04] Aphilo Aarde: How are you? I just downloaded the new viewer, on a Windows XP so I'm getting to know it

[11:05] Aphilo Aarde: Buffy should be here shortly.

[11:05] Aphilo Aarde: Have you joined by any chance the World University and School Google Group

[11:05] Andromeda Mesmer: No -- I am completely filled up with groups and picks.

[11:06] Andromeda Mesmer: I am not hearing good reviews of the new viewer, so am going to stay away from it for now.

[11:06] Aphilo Aarde: I know what you mean - thanks also for orchestrating Frank Sweets

[11:06] Aphilo Aarde: course at World Univeristy and School

[11:07] Aphilo Aarde: My hard drive died last night on my MacBook so I'm

[11:07] Andromeda Mesmer: Well, glad that worked out. He put me in charge of security at his place --keep away griefers.

[11:07] Aphilo Aarde: using it ... it takes time to get familiar with new locations for functions, but everything is the same.

[11:08] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[11:08] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.

[11:08] Buffy Beale: Hi made it back

[11:08] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome back, Buffy!

[11:08] Aphilo Aarde: Glad you were able to get here.

[11:09] Buffy Beale: much better connection now

[11:09] Aphilo Aarde: Great ... I'm working on Windows xp today =- my MacBook harddrive died last night - with the new viewer so everything is a little different.

[11:09] Aphilo Aarde: Yet everything is the same.

[11:09] Buffy Beale: oh noooo

[11:09] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[11:09] Buffy Beale: :)

[11:10] Andromeda Mesmer: I have had some problems too. Local connection -- but also SL has not been behaving well at all, and people who I know are interested in investigating other synthetic worlds.

[11:10] Buffy Beale: yes Reaction Grid is getting popular

[11:10] Andromeda Mesmer: I met the editor of the Alphaville Herald -- previously called the Second Life Herald --

[11:10] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ... painful ... still under warrantee ... the timing was bad ... last night at 10 p, and I was teaching this class on Harvard's virtual

[11:10] Aphilo Aarde: island at 11 this morning.

[11:10] Buffy Beale: rats Aphilo

[11:10] Aphilo Aarde: interesting ... what's the url?

[11:10] Aphilo Aarde: Andromeda?

[11:11] Andromeda Mesmer: Let me look -- one moment.

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: ok

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome, Oronoque

[11:12] Andromeda Mesmer: It is a newspaper with a salacious part -- but there are some interesting parts to it.

[11:12] Andromeda Mesmer:

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: I suspect it's an interesting record

[11:12] Aphilo Aarde: I may add it to World University & School's Library Resources

[11:13] Buffy Beale: Hi Oro

[11:13] Oronoque Westland: sorry, I was in viewer 2 and and could not tp

[11:13] Oronoque Westland: hi everyone

[11:14] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:14] Aphilo Aarde: Here are the library resources

[11:14] Andromeda Mesmer: Usual comment about Viewer 2 -

[11:14] Aphilo Aarde: where I may add the Second Life newspaper

[11:14] Buffy Beale: Aphilo had a big crash from v2 yesterday

[11:14] Buffy Beale: resources?

[11:15] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ... my hard drive died on my macbook - I think I have a great back up ... but it's painful

[11:15] Aphilo Aarde: at 10pm on a Friday night, when I'm teaching here at 11 am ...

[11:16] Andromeda Mesmer:

[11:16] Aphilo Aarde: And it's such a headache ... under warrantee... but I wish information technologies were more reliable.

[11:16] Andromeda Mesmer: That is some commentary about the new "Terms of Service" that we all signed, otherwise, no logging into SL.

[11:16] Aphilo Aarde: And if mischief still occurs on this real time worldwide network, that this would stop.

[11:16] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks, A

[11:17] Aphilo Aarde: I think one has to guard against technology failure and mischief by making backups, and having redundancy ... just like this distributed network.

[11:17] Aphilo Aarde: But before we begin, I 'd like to show you

[11:18] Andromeda Mesmer:

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde: the beginning medical, law and music schools at World Univeristy and School =-

[11:18] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:19] Andromeda Mesmer: That's great to know.

[11:19] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:19] Aphilo Aarde: So I hope these schools will be free and open,

[11:19] Aphilo Aarde: and open their doors to matriculating classes in 2014

[11:19] Aphilo Aarde: ... perhaps in conjunction with great universities ...

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: In the meantime, World University and School is a free, open, growing, teaching and learning opportunity.

[11:20] Aphilo Aarde: where you can teach to your web cameras like

[11:20] Buffy Beale: claps madly

[11:20] Andromeda Mesmer: :)

[11:21] Aphilo Aarde: Frank Morelli, a New York Philharmonic Bassoonist = does in the music school

[11:21] Aphilo Aarde: or like the Keith Grey Banjo workshop in 9 parts from

[11:21] Oronoque Westland: this is SO GREAT

[11:21] Aphilo Aarde: the Strawberry Creek Music Festibal

[11:21] Oronoque Westland: I am looking for classes on how to make the web accessible, but have no money in $ or L

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde: But WUaS also has a wiki schedule with Google calendar

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde: Hi Jurate!

[11:22] Oronoque Westland: hey Ju...long time

[11:22] Ju Roussel: Oups. Don't break TOS, don't mention my last name.

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde: where all of you - by joining theWUaS Google Group -

[11:22] Aphilo Aarde: can teach when you want.

[11:22] Ju Roussel: Hello!

[11:23] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:23] Aphilo Aarde: Please join this Google Group if you want updates, and to schedule or take a class and to see the World University Moderators' lists

[11:23] Aphilo Aarde: There's also a Facebook group

[11:24] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:24] Aphilo Aarde: And all of this will be up on today's transcript

[11:24] Aphilo Aarde: at

[11:24] Oronoque Westland: do you think (and this is a general question, not a criticism) that we may be using too many different Web 2.0 tools...hard to keep track of where things have been posted, etc

[11:24] Aphilo Aarde: eventually ... with my dead hard drive, this may not be today.

[11:25] Aphilo Aarde: Perhaps, Oro = andyet we're fortunate to have so many tools, as well as so much information

[11:25] Andromeda Mesmer: Better to have fewer --easier to keep track of.

[11:26] Aphilo Aarde: so too much is good, and then we have to learn how to navigate our own sailboats or surfboards on this tidal wave

[11:26] Ju Roussel: I love the diversity. A badge of honor to manage bookmarks and gadgets in order and to not miss stuff. I'd love google docs of the planet's face though... So mediocre.

[11:26] Aphilo Aarde: (I'm going back to read more closely what you've been saying during this intro)

[11:26] Buffy Beale: I think we have to play with them to learn them, then decide which ones are best

[11:28] Oronoque Westland: I am attending a webinair next week on " "social media listening dashboard", describing how nonprofits can use free and low-cost services to track and stay notified about online communications that relate to their work and brand. Best practices for coordinating online communications will be addressed, and specific how-to's will provide participants with the information they need to get started in their online listening.


[11:28] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Ju ... I agree that so much is great and then I'm curious how engaging it all can lead to more than "Flow" experiences ... but even bliss and ecstatic experience s

[11:28] Aphilo Aarde: Interesting Oro

[11:29] Buffy Beale: is that at the NPC Oro?

[11:29] Oronoque Westland:

[11:29] Oronoque Westland: yes Buffy

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: In terms of web 2.0 one approach to this abundance of IT if it feels like too much, is to become less of a consumer of information and more of a producer of information such that writing and creating it becomes the way you sail your boat or guide your surfboard

[11:30] Buffy Beale: great! I'm going too

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: The overwhelming qualities of too much Inforamtion Technology can be transformed by one's own agency

[11:30] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks

[11:31] Ju Roussel: Now that The Library of Congress has decided to archive twitter messages!

[11:31] Andromeda Mesmer: I didn't know that -- just twitter messages in the US? or where?

[11:31] Aphilo Aarde: Ju, I added that archive right under the LOC itself at World University and School's Library Resources page:

[11:32] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:32] Aphilo Aarde: under Library of Congress Twitter Archive

[11:32] Oronoque Westland: @Aphilo...but when yoiu want to share info, whether your creative work or an event, whatever, you need to post in many different places

[11:33] Aphilo Aarde: And Oro, there is a web page video that is great posted at WUaS because it doesn't even use a web page design program and it therefore shows you how parts of the web work

[11:34] Aphilo Aarde: in new basic ways = a way to become more of a producer

[11:34] Oronoque Westland: so much to learn, to experience, to love

[11:34] Buffy Beale: yes exciting times we're in

[11:34] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:35] Aphilo Aarde: and look under Web Page Design and Production

[11:35] Ju Roussel: It would be nice to have a "social media central". Friendfeed collects my tweets and pictures and posts them on my facebook. Metafilter collects services in the same manner. The problem is that those aggregator services seem to be unable to catch up with new social media services! Think of Avatars United. It's 100% closetet.

[11:35] Aphilo Aarde: Yes ... Oro ... I;'ve been at some techsoup gatherings in SF where people have talked about the best

[11:35] Aphilo Aarde: software to do this

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: and for infinitely expanding web sites and resources, no tools will

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: encompass or aggregate them all

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: So, my strategy

[11:36] Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo - looks like huge changes here, and also coming, since you conducted this series 2 years ago.

[11:36] Aphilo Aarde: is to produce information in a few places

[11:37] Aphilo Aarde: like FB and Twitter which lots of people read ... or know one's audience

[11:37] Oronoque Westland: this is why I showed my students a bit about the use of RSS feeds

[11:38] Aphilo Aarde: So let's carry on from last week's class

[11:38] Oronoque Westland: so they can gather info from various sites in one place

[11:38] Oronoque Westland: sorry

[11:38] Aphilo Aarde: where we were looking at

[11:38] Aphilo Aarde: how people changed with the introduction of the internet and its popularization.

[11:39] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, I would pick the best reader and aggregator and then visit the sites I know about = I like Google Reader with its focus on Blogs, personally

[11:40] Aphilo Aarde: ... So what people found was that the internet had very little effect on sociality, contrary to a lot of media veiws.

[11:40] Aphilo Aarde: And these researchers found that the people's relationship to the Internet is being patterned around life.

[11:41] Aphilo Aarde: And that people, as the internet firts become greatly popular in the mid 1990s used email more.

[11:41] Aphilo Aarde: Boring.

[11:41] Oronoque Westland: are you referring to a negative impact when you say "very little effect on sociality, contrary to a lot of media veiws"?

[11:41] Aphilo Aarde: But this was a competely different view than what the media portrayed.

[11:41] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Oro ...

[11:42] Oronoque Westland: that was my fear back then, glad to be proven wrong

[11:42] Aphilo Aarde: And the best sources for much of these books and papers as thisesearch continues

[11:42] Aphilo Aarde: *research noew 17 years later ... with much more of it

[11:43] Aphilo Aarde: is

[11:43] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Oro ... the benefit of empirical research is that

[11:43] Andromeda Mesmer: Story a couple of days ago on CNN I believe - about how New Yorkers were using the social media to find out which friends were close by in RL, getting suggestions about restaurants and so on -- enhance RL

[11:43] Aphilo Aarde: it dispels myths and popular , sometimes misfocused views ... with data

[11:44] Aphilo Aarde: to get at what's really happening ...

[11:44] Aphilo Aarde: :) Yes, A ... so sociality is extended in a broad sense and in new ways

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: with new networks ... this course being one example, Second Life being another, and Twitter another, with Facebook Friends and

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: yet another.

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: So the worry was that the internet would affect people negatively

[11:45] Aphilo Aarde: and what researchers found was that the internet conforms to lifestyle

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: So, Professor DiMaggio at Princeton

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: a sociologist

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: examined how people ternet

[11:46] Aphilo Aarde: using the internet

[11:47] Oronoque Westland: /a SL consultant forgot to log out of SL after a conference he hosted...I heard all of his at home conversation...since I did not know him I tracked him down using the internet and called him at first he was angry (thought I stalked him I guess) then when he listened to my explanation he was appreciative...all his personal conversation had been streaming into SL

[11:47] Aphilo Aarde: affected their reading of books ... or what the correlation was.

[11:47] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[11:47] Buffy Beale: nice Oro

[11:48] Oronoque Westland: internet can be helpful/dangerous that way

[11:48] Aphilo Aarde: The web changes dynamics of privacy in remarkable ways, just as replicative technologies or mass media have over more than a century

[11:48] Aphilo Aarde: but at a different scale ...

[11:49] Aphilo Aarde: and now focused explicitly on information

[11:49] Aphilo Aarde: Even though listening to others was possible in even the 30s secretively,

[11:49] Aphilo Aarde: its scale and scope were very very different ... expense and primitiveness were significant limiting factors.

[11:50] Aphilo Aarde: So Dimaggio's study on the correlation of internet usage and book reading ...

[11:50] Aphilo Aarde: showed that the more people used the internet just as it was becoming popular, the more they read books

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: He found this at all levels of education

[11:51] Aphilo Aarde: by controlling for variables like Educational level

[11:52] Buffy Beale: interesting

[11:52] Aphilo Aarde: in his empirical studies, and doing the statistical work based on sampling and study design

[11:52] Aphilo Aarde: In the year 2000 UCLA

[11:52] Aphilo Aarde: conducted a study

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: a survey with a representative sample

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: to examine directly the hypothesis that the internet destroys family life

[11:53] Aphilo Aarde: by asking about this directly

[11:53] Oronoque Westland: DiMaggio P, Hargittai E, Neuman WR, Robinson JP. 2001. "Social Implications of the internet." Annual Review of Sociology.

Read more at Suite101: The Internet and Social Relationships: Facebook, MySpace, Online: Research Refutes Cyber Socializing Fears

[11:54] Aphilo Aarde: thus dispelling myths about this - and UPenn Professor Keith Hampton just recently

[11:54] Oronoque Westland: just found that reference

[11:54] Aphilo Aarde: in Facebook posted a USA Today article - from all places -

[11:54] Oronoque Westland: I am surprised at these results --- my university students seem to be doing less reading of books

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: which reported on something similar - and which Hampton who is a key and leading reseracher in these questions today for to be a strong article, yet relatively accurate

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks Oro

[11:55] Aphilo Aarde: \Let's add this to - where I don't think this article is posted yet.

[11:55] Oronoque Westland: I have to push "media literacy" hard so that they understand that internet equivalents of Cliff Notes is not good reading

[11:56] Aphilo Aarde: Interesting to see how studies develop longitudinally, when researchers, for example, ask similar questions a decade later, for example.

[11:56] Aphilo Aarde: DiMaggio was asking these questions around 1995 ...

[11:56] Aphilo Aarde: but what's important, Oro, is to get at the empirical data

[11:57] Aphilo Aarde: And I wonder about quality of reading.

[11:58] Aphilo Aarde: If people are reading a lot on the web academically, or in the infinite number of web sites, which continue to grow, now, at the expense of reading books. Would another DiMaggio study

[11:58] Andromeda Mesmer: My impression is that the number of books sold is going down - that could be one way of checking the data.

[11:58] Aphilo Aarde: show a change due to the accessibility of more onling books for example , here:

[11:59] Aphilo Aarde:

[11:59] Aphilo Aarde: such a richness of resources has many effects, so we're lucky to have these first studies, just as the web was becomiung popular

[12:00] Oronoque Westland: then we need to factor in e-texts, Kindle, is very complicated

[12:00] Aphilo Aarde: both as baseline data, but also as indication of key concerns of reserachers and the public.

[12:01] Aphilo Aarde: That's certainly data which would be fascinating, Andormeda, to correlate with a new DiMaggio reading study, as with as with Kindle usage.

[12:01] Aphilo Aarde: I don't know of many papers at about this and contermporary at this time, but what you just posted Oro may be just that

[12:02] Aphilo Aarde: and is actually big now ... and, if interested, specifically in these questions, I'd check there first.

[12:02] Aphilo Aarde: So, to return to what researchers were finding,

[12:03] Aphilo Aarde: Internet users in the early to mid-90s, with the popularization of the web, tended to read MORE literature, go to more movies, read more books, play more sports, and watch more sports, than non-internet users.

[12:04] Aphilo Aarde: Now early adopters pof the internet, or all educational levels, may well

[12:04] Aphilo Aarde: have been folks who engage in life, and who engage symbolically

[12:04] Oronoque Westland: /how did the educational background of the average internet user of 15-20 years ago compare to the average user today?

[12:05] Aphilo Aarde: Dimaggio's study, in spite of controlling for all variables, including educational level, sounds like it could refer to a Princeton NJ sample, and not neccesarily representative

[12:05] Aphilo Aarde: of the whole US for example.

[12:06] Aphilo Aarde: I think your question Oro is best examined at Pew, and by reading the literature on Digital Natives and youth.

[12:07] Aphilo Aarde: That around 70-80% of the US has internet access may be a starting point.

[12:07] Aphilo Aarde:

[12:07] Aphilo Aarde: is one section where I would begin.

[12:07] Aphilo Aarde: Let's take a break soon for 10 minutes,

[12:08] Buffy Beale: ok

[12:08] Aphilo Aarde: but I hope that, for example, will help continue to transform the ducational possibilities

[12:08] Aphilo Aarde: And any longitudinal studies you'd like to add into this developing World University and Shcool

[12:08] Oronoque Westland: /I suspect the internet user of 15-20 years ago was an adventurer (i.e. eager to learn new and challenging things), today's user is using a tool that is supposed to work when you turn it on

[12:08] Aphilo Aarde: might begin to assess how

[12:09] Aphilo Aarde: innovations in education affect number of people engaging the internet

[12:09] Oronoque Westland: today's user would be unwilling to deal with DOS, for example, in my view

[12:09] Aphilo Aarde: That's one interesting profile.

[12:09] Andromeda Mesmer: LOL

[12:09] Buffy Beale: for sure Oro

[12:10] Aphilo Aarde: And starting a study of profiles then and now would be an interesting approach

[12:10] Aphilo Aarde: Well let's take a 10 minute break

[12:10] Oronoque Westland: anyone here who knows DOS must have gray hair like me lol

[12:11] Aphilo Aarde: and come back to the DOS

[12:11] Oronoque Westland: ok

[12:11] Andromeda MesmerAndromeda Mesmer thinks that the dye pot hides everything like that.

[12:11] Oronoque Westland: I hide my gray behind the SL viewer

[12:11] Aphilo Aarde: Disk Operating System, one of the first computer operating systems before the world wide web in 1989, even

[12:12] Oronoque Westland: yup

[12:12] Andromeda Mesmer: Well, I would use it if there was no alternative - and still remember some of those early games fondly ...

[12:12] Aphilo Aarde: See you in 10 minutes at 23 minutes past, for a little break.

[12:24] Buffy Beale: back

[12:26] Aphilo Aarde: Hello Again

[12:26] Buffy Beale: hi

[12:26] Aphilo Aarde: Here's the transcript from today, thus far -

[12:26] Aphilo Aarde: which I was able to get posted

[12:27] Buffy Beale: lol u were supposed to be taking a break

[12:27] Andromeda Mesmer: giggle

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: So to return to what we're exploring

[12:27] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: the only thing that internet users in DiMaggio's study did differently

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: and less of

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: was watch less TV

[12:28] Aphilo Aarde: To recap ... Internet users studied in this research, in the aggregate

[12:29] Aphilo Aarde: read more literature, went to more movies, read more books, played more sports, watched more sports than non-internet users just as the internet came out , and the only thing they did less of was watch television

[12:30] Aphilo Aarde: This data is a significantly different from what many people thought.

[12:30] Aphilo Aarde: And the UCLA study

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: BY ASKING

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: this to people in their sample

[12:31] Aphilo Aarde: in 2000 which was directly exploring the hypothesis that the internet destroys family life

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: and compared with the previous year, 75% declared that Internet activity had not impacted sociability, i.e.

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: they didn't suffer socially.

[12:32] Aphilo Aarde: This study also found that the email IMPROVED family ties

[12:33] Aphilo Aarde: So of the around 110 studies of the Internet's effects on social life just as it was becoming popular,

[12:33] Andromeda Mesmer: Oh absolutely on the family ties -- lots of opportunity to send pictures, short videos --

[12:33] Aphilo Aarde: 110 studies said one thing, and 2 studies said another.

[12:33] Oronoque Westland: curious - did they ask where people accessed the internet? I suspect in those days there were few who had home PCs, so internet access might have been concentrated during working or school hours, hence less impact on social life in the 20th century sense

[12:34] Buffy Beale: yes thats what I was thinking Oro, less home computing, less friendly GUI etc

[12:34] Aphilo Aarde: And it's a reading of the aggregate results of such studies that perhaps gest at what's really happening.

[12:34] Aphilo Aarde: Good question, Oro ... we'll get to that in a second.

[12:35] Aphilo Aarde: There are some studies that address this .. and the beauty of the intenret, like TV is that it was accessible from the home

[12:35] Oronoque Westland: @Andromeda, I cannot recall it being easy to send pics or videos 20 years ago

[12:35] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome Jonathan!

[12:35] Buffy Beale: hey JonE

[12:35] JonathanE Cortes: Hello Aphilo , hi all ,

[12:35] Oronoque Westland: love the 3D glasses

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: Remember, much of this popularity that these researchers began to study had to do with

[12:36] Ju Roussel: Hello JonathanE

[12:36] Andromeda Mesmer: No -- I was thinking of 10 years ago.

[12:36] JonathanE Cortes: I eed them in here :-)

[12:36] Aphilo Aarde: MOSAIC - the first browser in the ealry 1990s to incorporate photos

[12:36] Oronoque Westland: my AV won't stop tying

[12:37] Aphilo Aarde: And it was GUI = the graphical user interface =- that led to the explosion of the internet

[12:37] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:37] Oronoque Westland: that little 6"x6" Macintosh screen

[12:37] Buffy Beale: long live the mac

[12:38] JonathanE Cortes: yes in UK we need them

[12:38] Aphilo Aarde: We have looked at some of this social history of the internet in previous classes, but Berners-Lee writing with Roger Callion in Geneva, on their own time, of http, htmo and url .. and its popularization by graduate students on a bulletin board system - was the beginning of the world wide web

[12:39] Aphilo Aarde: and its significance is that people could write to the web - edit the web ... but without pictures

[12:39] Aphilo Aarde: well one significance

[12:40] Aphilo Aarde: nice glasses Jonathan

[12:40] Aphilo Aarde: So Barry Wellman at the University of Toronto

[12:40] JonathanE Cortes: ty

[12:40] Oronoque Westland: my typist's email domain goes back to the pre-www days

[12:40] Aphilo Aarde: began to analyze networks around that time.

[12:41] Aphilo Aarde: And one significant summary of his work is here:

[12:42] Aphilo Aarde: Wang, Hua and Barry Wellman. 2010. Social Connectivity in America: Changes in Adult Friendship Network Size from 2002 to 2007.

[12:43] Aphilo Aarde: in this section of's 'Papers' -

[12:43] Aphilo Aarde: And in one study through a National Geographic web site, which was very popular

[12:44] Oronoque Westland: ? How the Web Was Born: The Story of the World Wide Web, James Gillies, Robert Cailliau (Oxford Paperbacks, 2000) ISBN 0-19-286207-3

[12:44] Aphilo Aarde: so it offered potentially great and large sampling possibilites

[12:44] Aphilo Aarde: Thanks Oro

[12:44] Aphilo Aarde: Wellman got National Geographic and people to cooperate at answering questionnary

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: questionnaires online and offline

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: These site had 40,000 users in North America alone~

[12:45] Aphilo Aarde: And Wellman was asking

[12:46] Aphilo Aarde: How the use of email and the web related to friends/family social interaction

[12:46] Aphilo Aarde: So, again the effect of the internet on family life

[12:47] Aphilo Aarde: And what Wellman found was that the use of email ADDED to letter writing, phone use and other forms of communication

[12:47] Aphilo Aarde: And that email also did not substitute for these

[12:47] Aphilo Aarde: So, overall, the internet lead to more social interaction, not less

[12:48] Aphilo Aarde: So, let's chat for the last 10 minutes of class about some of these questions in our own lives

[12:48] Aphilo Aarde: as well as some of our observations and questions in general.

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: How would you say, for example, the internet has affected your family life ... moving in many ways from a sociological approach to an anthropological approach.

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: ?

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: When do each of you date your use of the web to?

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: And how has it changed how you relate to family members?

[12:49] Ju Roussel: 1996

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: More? Less? Differently?

[12:49] JonathanE Cortes: about 94

[12:49] Aphilo Aarde: Long time, Ju

[12:50] Aphilo Aarde: And, back then, would you be outliers as individual respondents to these studies, or would you be at the top of the bell curve?

[12:50] Aphilo Aarde: Did you engage more socially as the internet came along?

[12:50] Ju Roussel: till I started? I was priviledged! Sneaking into interned-enabled labs of political science students while business and econ. departments were far behind!

[12:51] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:51] Aphilo Aarde: And this was all in Sweden, is that right, Ju?

[12:51] Ju Roussel: Lithuania, of course.

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: That's right ... when did you move to Sweden? Lithuania, as field site in an anthropological study about internet practices, would be fascinating ...

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: A place based approach to the internet.

[12:52] Ju Roussel: I spent my first 2 years looking for foreign universities, opportunities, and asking professors to send me materials for my BA thesis. No effect on family, as no one could afford internet.

[12:52] Andromeda Mesmer: In my case, I got involved in some political action in the City of Toronto, when the provincial premier decided to amalgamate all the municipalities in Metropolitan Toronto. But not of use in the immediate family, because they did not have computes.

[12:52] JonathanE Cortes: at first it was like having a gian CD ROM

[12:52] Aphilo Aarde: Was using the internet more like going to the library or the university

[12:53] Ju Roussel: Kaunas - my hometown - now is 2nd place after some Japanese city in internet connection quality.

[12:53] Buffy Beale: yes no effect for me, only used it at my office starting from Mosiac

[12:53] Oronoque Westland: I was online in the pre-www days

[12:53] Aphilo Aarde: rather than having it in your home, changing things like TV?

[12:53] Ju Roussel: Much better than Sweden hehe

[12:53] JonathanE Cortes: Im having keyboard probs (its new) so may be some typos

[12:53] Andromeda Mesmer: I had a dial up computer connection at home, and also an account at university

[12:54] JonathanE Cortes: US robotic 14 lol, them the days

[12:54] Andromeda Mesmer: What the libraries locally had -- was their catalogues online.

[12:54] Aphilo Aarde: Interesting Andromeda

[12:54] JonathanE Cortes: I remember using Inofseek

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: All of you are long time users ... with very disparate approaches, and seemingly little effect on your own family lives

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: it seems. Woudl you agree?

[12:55] Ju Roussel: Anyone still had a chance to use non-computerised libraries? Or should I feel an extict breed? :)

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: Me too

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: I used non Internet libraries, Ju!

[12:55] JonathanE Cortes: I have lots of books :-) still buy them

[12:55] Andromeda Mesmer: I'd say, no effect except for getting pictures - and organizing large family get-togethers.

[12:55] Aphilo Aarde: :) me too Jonathan

[12:56] Aphilo Aarde: I spend a lot of time on the Internet ...

[12:56] Ju Roussel: meaning carton-cards and wooden-boxes library catalogues?!

[12:56] Aphilo Aarde: it's a very interesting and engaing process.

[12:56] Aphilo Aarde: me to Ju! :)

[12:56] JonathanE Cortes: I feel that the net is part of my computer , if I dont have the net , the computer seems broken

[12:57] Aphilo Aarde: Well I'm a guest in a friend's house, so I need to take my farewell in 3 minutes

[12:57] Andromeda Mesmer: Oh, one thing back then that I did a lot of, was follow the writer J. Michael Straczynski as he described the making of the TV series Babylon 5. Each episode, the technical problems, the creative aspects, and so on.

[12:57] Aphilo Aarde: would you have said that about TV as well Jonathan?

[12:57] Aphilo Aarde: Was there a kind of seemless transition for you?

[12:58] Ju Roussel: You must be true gen Y, Jonathan. I was just a couple of years too late to that train. I hate being the latest Xer.

[12:58] Oronoque Westland: I watch TV on the internet

[12:58] JonathanE Cortes: mm, it was around 2000 when I started to think that way

[12:58] Aphilo Aarde: So that imaginary, Andromeda, affected how you thought of , and the attractiveness of engaging in inforamtion technological things?

[12:58] JonathanE Cortes: from PC point of view

[12:58] Andromeda Mesmer: Comparing the TV with the computer and ability to search online -- NO contest. I'd dispose of the TV if given a choice.

[12:58] JonathanE Cortes: me 2

[12:58] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:58] Andromeda Mesmer: If FORCED to choose -- the TV still has uses.

[12:59] JonathanE Cortes: my attentin span is geting shorter (for movise) I think as well ,

[12:59] Aphilo Aarde: I don't watch TV and probalby spend 4-6 hours on the internet a 3-5 days a week, when I have easy access

[12:59] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[12:59] Buffy Beale: I haven't wated TV for 10 years or more

[12:59] Oronoque Westland: I am on the net 7 days a week

[12:59] Aphilo Aarde: Well it's very nice to come to this conversation with you and to explore the internet, as well.

[13:00] JonathanE Cortes: Im in here lots also

[13:00] Andromeda Mesmer: There are things like the latest news about the Icelandic volcano ...

[13:00] Aphilo Aarde: Keep examining World University and School - it's resources grow.

[13:00] Oronoque Westland: started using computers around 1970, networking around 1987

[13:00] JonathanE Cortes: do some TV in here now , well youtube n TED

[13:00] Buffy Beale: I check in on my FB etc daily and use SL about 2x a week

[13:00] Andromeda Mesmer: And the science programs will bring on guests to talk about this volcano --

[13:00] Aphilo Aarde: There are budding Medical, Law and Music Schools now

[13:01] Oronoque Westland: volcano=nature trumps technology

[13:01] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:01] Aphilo Aarde: And technologies network around them

[13:01] Aphilo Aarde: :)

[13:01] Buffy Beale: yes, and how about those metors that fell from the sky a few days ago

[13:01] Ju Roussel: Twitter is my new TV, newspapers, and email.

[13:01] Aphilo Aarde: I must go ... May 1st will be our last class ... we'll meet next week here, again at 11.

[13:01] JonathanE Cortes: IP TV may draw me in a bit ?? duno

[13:02] Oronoque Westland: ok, see you then

[13:02] Ju Roussel: Thank you Aphilo.

[13:02] JonathanE Cortes: ok thx

[13:02] Aphilo Aarde: Please feel free to carry on this conversation between you :)

[13:02] Oronoque Westland: thanks

[13:02] Buffy Beale: bye all, tahnks Aphilo

[13:02] Buffy Beale: *thanks

[13:02] JonathanE Cortes: by buffy

[13:02] Andromeda Mesmer: About Twitter -- an old IT friend says it is mostly not useful -- except, when there was a power failure in part of Toronto, he was quickly able to see just what areas of the city it was in, much more useful than any news on the radio or TV.

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde: Transcript is here:

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde:

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde: You're welcome :)

[13:03] Ju Roussel: Usually with any news, twitter is the first to register.

[13:03] Oronoque Westland: same for me and Haiti

[13:03] Aphilo Aarde: and thanks for coming

[13:03] JonathanE Cortes: cool see you next week

[13:03] Buffy Beale: Theres a 'game' going on, UrgentEvoke, its connecting a lot of people

[13:03] Oronoque Westland: bye for now

[13:03] Ju Roussel: I in fact go to check validity of any news to twitter... most often.

[13:03] JonathanE Cortes: ``which one Buffy

[13:04] Buffy Beale:

[13:04] Andromeda Mesmer: byeeethanks

( - April 17, 2010)