Wednesday, January 21, 2026

Georgia aster: Stanford Law School "Second-Order Constitutional Theory | Jan. 21" with Professor Aaron Tang * * * Stanford Constitutional Law Center's talk - "Due Process, Pirates, and . . . Drug Runners?" . . . "How might it be possible to add the most recent Stanford Constitutional Law Center's talk - "Due Process, Pirates, and . . . Drug Runners?" - by Professor Nathan Chapman to the America / USA WUaS Law School - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/World_University_Law_School - and the Maritime Law wiki subject - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Maritime_Law (both are still in beginning form, and planned in all 200 countries - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States (each a major world class World University and School online from home) - and in their main languages too - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Languages) - at MIT OCW-centric wiki World University and School?"


Stanford Law School "Second-Order Constitutional Theory | Jan. 21" with Professor Aaron Tang 

 


Second-Order Constitutional Theory

 

Wednesday, January 21, 2026
5:00 pm - 6:00 pm

Stanford Law School, Room 290
559 Nathan Abbott Way
Stanford, CA 94305 (map

This event will be held in-person and is open to the public, but we kindly request that you register in advance. For more information on the event, please visit the event page.

 

In this constitutional conversation, Professor Tang will make the case for greater attention to the choice among second-order constitutional theories. He will argue that the second-order theory embraced by today’s Supreme Court—the 51-49 rule, under which each justice votes for the outcome they think is supported by more first-order evidence than any other outcome, no matter how slight the difference—is as responsible for the acrimony over today’s Court as the first-order clash between originalism and its competitors.

 
Aaron Tang, photo

Aaron Tang is a law professor at the University of California, Davis and former law clerk to Justice Sonia Sotomayor. His academic writings have been published in journals such as the Stanford Law Review, Chicago Law Review, Columbia Law Review, and Pennsylvania Law Review, and his public writings have appeared in The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Atlantic, and elsewhere. He is the author of Supreme Hubris: How Overconfidence is Destroying the Court—and How We Can Fix It (Yale University Press, 2023), and he is the host and moderator of PBS’s newest, Emmy-nominated TV series, Breaking the Deadlock  which Variety magazine called “more erudite than The West Wing and more intense than 24.”

 

Accommodations: If you require a disability-related accommodation, please contact Sheila Sanchez at disability.access@stanford.edu  as soon as possible or at least 7 business days in advance of the event.

The Stanford Constitutional Law Center, led by Michael W. McConnell, grows out of the long and distinguished tradition of constitutional law scholarship at Stanford Law School. The Center carries on that tradition by directing attention to the most fundamental questions of constitutional order, especially the allocation and control of governmental power through law. It advances this mission through events and activities that foster scholarship, generate public discussion, attempt to transcend ideological divides, and provide opportunities for students to engage in analysis of the Constitution.

 

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Dear Professor Aaron Tang, Stanford Law Program Group, Professor Michael McConnell, 

Greetings!

Thanks for your fascinating Stanford Constitutional Law "Second-Order Constitutional Theory" talk th Jan 21, 2026 - https://enews.law.stanford.edu/t/r-e-tkdiydik-oiyihihjrj-f/. As I asked at the microphone, something like:  "A Computer Science question: How best to add, with colleagues of yours, your Second-Order Constitutional Theory to a Large Language AI Model (e.g. Gemini AI, and ChatGPT, or even a US federal or state of California or state of Iowa etc LLM builds)? In the way that Stanford Law CodeX presenter Sugam Sharma Ph.D. presented https://elegalls.com/ in May 2023 - to the effect that https://elegalls.com/ exploratorily added all Iowa Supreme Court rulings as PDFs to a machine learning model and to explore predicting outcomes of the Iowa Supreme Court in the future, with AI and ML (and see the beginning Iowa Law School at World University and School - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Iowa_Law_School_at_WUaS for further resources); how best might you, Aaron, and Stanford Law School (and Yale Law School too) coders / similar, and possibly with the world class Stanford University CS department  - (and see "Creating World-Class Computer Science at Stanford: 60 Years of Innovation" https://youtu.be/eDs4mRPJonU W 3/15/17 @WUaSPress Code a #RealisticVirtualHarbin? - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2026/03/hippeastrum.html) - create a Large Language AI Model for your Second-Order Constitutional Theory? And how might this potentially reduce " the acrimony over today’s Court as the first-order clash between originalism and its competitors" over related US Constitutional Law 1st bubble (Originalists) and 2nd bubble (Pluralists etc) substantial disagreements and bickering especially? (Perhaps the US Supreme Court justices are already asking Gemini AI and related LLMs for clarifications regarding your Second-Order Constitutional Theory in some of these regards).

And further, as a very knowledgeable Professor of Law at UC Davis in Sacramento, California's state capital, ... and as I asked after your talk - and very great to meet you - how might MIT OCW-centric wiki World University and School (of which I'm the founder,  president and CEO) both create 50 US states' WUaS Law Schools (partly as LLMs and partly to hire enormous numbers of lawyers and Stanford Law graduates and students with time) - AND become accredited by the ABA and similar in the US, AND with regards also to creating 200 online WUaS law schools, in each of all 200 countries and in their main languages (where US ABA law school accreditation or similar would likely be relevant for prospective students)? (A caveat and regarding WUaS California Law School seeking ABA accreditation "The American Bar Association (ABA) is the primary national agency for accrediting U.S. law schools, setting standards for curriculum, faculty, and bar passage rates, with most states requiring ABA approval for bar exam eligibility, though exceptions exist, notably in California, which accredits its own schools and allows graduates to take the state bar.") ... And all regarding developing LLMs for your eminently LLM-able Second-Order Constitutional Theory in some of these regards regarding teaching US Constitutional Law, in CA and around the US.


Regarding 
WUaS Idea- and Academic Resources
Ideas
I added after Sugam Sharma's May 11, 2023 Stanford Law CodeX online meeting -
"eLegalls.com is exploring adding the state of Iowa's Supreme Court documents and cases regarding generative AI and machine learning legal information technologies to Creative Commons' licensed Wikidata, as a backend structured knowledge database with querying, that you, Sugam Sharma Ph.D., (whom I, Scott GK MacLeod, communicated with at the May 11, 2023 Stanford Law CodeX online meeting) would like to work with at https://elegalls.com :
here -


... how further might we build out such LLMs of your Second-Order Constitutional Theory and WUaS Law Schools too ... in CC0 licensed Wikidata (and see PPPS) (which WUaS has been in since the mid 2010s, and is in ~342 active Wikipedia languages) as a backend structured knowledge database for further such AI and ML developments?

Thanks again,
Scott
Scott GK MacLeod





PS

Sugam Sharma, PhD
Founder





PPS
Wikidata is licensed under the Creative Commons Zero (CC0) public domain dedication, meaning all the structured data is free for anyone to use, reuse, and redistribute without attribution or licensing restrictions, making it completely open and interoperable.




PPPS
My Notes - 




Breaking the Deadlock

Supreme Hubris

2nd order constitutional theory 




Constitutionalism 

Originalist vs competitors

McConnell

original orginatialist


prof Carlin is not an originalist

non originalists
most are pluralists


choice of what we put in 2nd bubble is key 


talk about the two bubbles

originalism and the competitor


Decision theory: 

1st order decisions and 2nd order decisions 


In and out drive through restaurant example 


none of the 2nd order strategies

relate to FACTS of the 

1st order theory



what is the 49-51 rule

go with whatever side you think is relevant to your ...



legislative deference can be a 2nd order theory for 2nd order bubble to replace "Constitutional Pluralism" 



In the Cruzan case ... re life support

In the Cruzan case ... re life support - Cruzan v. Missouri Dept. of Health (1990)

 

To have a fully developed legal decision making
a person must have 2 bubbles 


Life Without Parole (LWOP) sentences example

Juvenile Life Without Parole (JLWOP) sentences involve imprisoning minors for life without parole, often for homicide, but Supreme Court rulings (like Miller v. Alabama) made mandatory JLWOP unconstitutional,



Heller 2nd amendment

pitched as case where some justices are originalism and some are not


heller - expanding the right to bear arms

51-49 rules unleashing whatever your 1st order originalism theory is ...


Maybe it's the 51-49 rule that's the problem 

re the 1st bubble vs 2nd bubble 
constitutional originalism vs constitutionalism



Conclusion

Walt Whitman 
I contain multitudes

when it comes to constitutional theory, so do you - all of us


and we've got a 2nd bubble too 

can reject the
51-49 

and chose another direction 

That may be just what our democracy needs




QUestions

1st question


Sometimes it's going to be stare decisis and sometimes it's going to john harvey lee

ranking of theories in the gray area


A
Why am I skeptical about critical process theory?

because you can flip the process



If a political process theory 



his 2nd question

are we all 2nd order pluralism


I think you're probably right ..



Question

flexible ordering 


A

I would have a third order theory


fall back on legislative deference



Q
ranked voting



Q
unilateral disarming theory 


how would Jamal Green anti rights activism fit in with what you said?

mollify people who lose ?



A
do the right thing
is the same thing he would say to his 7 year old


Jamal Green
prof at columbia
argues for proportionality review

I think this is probably a recipe for 
value ? reasoning

I;'m not sure proportionality is a good answer



Q
What is a close case on first order theory?

And how does 51-49 theory work ... 
re stylized



A
What is a close case

just a function of the judges own judgment



Q
raj armstrong?? 

2L here 


A
many people would describe stare decisis as 1st order





























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Dear Nathan, & Michael,

Thanks for your fascinating Stanford Constitutional Law talk on Monday, January 12, 2026 - https://law.stanford.edu/event/constitutional-conversation-with-professor-nathan-chapman/.



As I registered just now for tomorrow's Stanford Constitutional Law talk - "Second-Order Constitutional Theory" -I asked on the registration form - 

"How might it be possible to add the most recent Stanford Constitutional Law Center's talk - "Due Process, Pirates, and . . . Drug Runners?" - by Professor  Nathan Chapman to  the America / USA WUaS Law School - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/World_University_Law_School - and the Maritime Law wiki subject - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Maritime_Law (both are still in beginning form, and planned in all 200 countries - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States (each a major world class World University and School online from home) - and in their main languages too - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Languages) - at MIT OCW-centric wiki World University and School?"

As an NtF unprogrammed Friend / Quaker, and conscientious objector, too, and in MIT OCW-centric wiki WUaS growing an abolition movement worldwide to abolish the wrongful buying and selling of people in the illegal sex, drugs, violence, car theft, military targeting etc industries in the US internationally, I had some questions about what role abolitionism in the US played in US constitutional law from its writing through, say, the Emancipation Proclamation, regarding who has the right to declare war, congress or the president, but will perhaps follow up on these if the I have the good fortune to attend another excellent talk of yours. I also wonder even how an iterating #RealisticVirtualEarth & #RealisticVirtualEarthForHistory - 

and please see Peter Norvig's INCREDIBLE #ToolifyAIWUaS article "Revolutionizing Education with Machine Learning and AI" #WorldUniversityInSchool updated March 2, 2024 - https://www.toolify.ai/ai-news/revolutionizing-education-with-machine-learning-and-ai-2574306 - where he mentions a realistic virtual earth for the first time other than WUaS that I know of ... 

- to which we all might be able to wiki-add resources (for a new theory and method I'm calling https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy - daily blog), documents, pictures etc - think in Google Street View with a time slider - might allow us to address some of the US constitutional questions you were asking in other ways.

Best regards, 
Scott
Scott GK MacLeod 











My notes - 

Nathan Chapman 



war clause vs criminal punishment on the other

Who gets to deceive?



Civil war law

pows or traitors


unlike 
civil war
and Guantanamo bay

this strikes are short


They're not entitled to habeas corpus
or to super damages 


Conclusion to part 1

strikes are probably constitutional



Part 2
What about Founder's Law?

law enforcement
constitution gives congress power to publish crimes
on high seas

tried in court

1790 act defined piracy

many cases tried as piracy

murder
failed mutiny on merchant vessel
lots of indictment and conviction for those crimes

all
integrated with teh Law of Nations - law of rason - law of nature applied to states
a legal matrix


Little against Barem
Adams administration
1798 about


only congress can lawfully authorized capture

Capt George Little
Congress indemnified him 




Barbary pirates - aside 

not barbary and not pirates

definitely 

tripoli, algiers, tunis
north african coast
allegiance for years to sultan of Contstinople


Jefferson adiminiates debated how far they could authorized naval ships to go ...



what is teh ends of the real pirates of the caribbean

violation of us law 
so the law persecuted them 

hometown heroes

smuggling in prated cargo

there was a turn to attack american vessels


crime of piracy ... 


1822
Congress rejected
House committee on naval affairs
expedient to execute persons making war on american ships


Authorize it was the question?

president lacked power to launch attacks on non state parties without Congress


Cuba and Puerto Rico ports ...
acts of war against Spain ...

Monroe asking for this power got Spain's attention ...

The Arericans 

end of the pirates of the caribbean

US vs Spain handling pirates

the constitution ...

The president couldn't have launched attacks


Why is our US law different than it used to be?

Geopolitical changes in the last 200 years are massive

The technology of war has changed ... 


The changes aren't good news for living originalists

nor good news for orginialists that pine from the 'good old days' 

Congressional supremacy




Changes to constitutionalism

original law - most attractive to speaker Nathan



Boat strikes

disagrees
that drug smugglers are unlawful combatants


the past 20 years ... narco terrorists ... better understood as criminals


Most pirates are out for money

the presidents struggle to name them as ... enemy 



Question: 

given teh seriousness of declaration of war

political motivating by the US supreme court


historically the court has tendency to be interventionist the longer the conflict goes on 

happened in covid too



Q
pretext with preference



A
Yemen narcoterrorism



Q
cases that lead to this new activity by president

everything since the early 1900s


congress not objecting and continuing to fund

strong acquiencenses by congress



Q
Founders thought there should be some division of power
between congress and president

which has become less significant


circumstances by which they might actually declare war?


A





Q
maritime examples

What about land examples ... such as re Mexico



Q
major diffs between founding and today

size of standing army

then the power to raise and apy for armies limiting constraint


A
generally you're right

didn't have a large army, and had a standing navy

Congress declined the request
then provided more resources ...




Q
am a simple intl lawyer

congress of president / executive branch....


could congress use any standard to declare war


A
I'm just a simple Georgia lawyer

unlawful enemy combatants

no set def
of unlawful enemy combatant

who gets to decide is teh important questions





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- Scott GK MacLeod  
Founder, President, CEO & Professor
at / of best STEAM CC licensed OCW, Wiki, 
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best STEAM CC licensed OCW, Wiki, 
World University and School - http://worlduniversityandschool.org 

2) for profit general stock company WUaS Corporation in CA - http://worlduniversityandschool.org/AcademicPress.html

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