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Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations
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[NTF-talk] Attitudes about atheists and logic
I was amused to see the article in today's NYT about a study on attitudes toward atheists -
The Serial Killer Test: Biases Against Atheists Emerge in Study. The survey question was about a hypothetical serial killer and asked "Which is more probable? 1) The man is a teacher; or 2) The man is a teacher and does not believe in any gods." Apparently 60 percent of respondents answered no. 2, which is of course logically incorrect. So my conclusion is that around 60 percent of the population has trouble with logical thinking and is biased against atheists. The other 40 percent is either (1) not biased against atheists or (2) does well at logical thinking, or both. Somewhat depressing. I don't know whether the survey authors designed it this way intentionally or are they bad at logical thinking too?
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I appreciate a kind of Richard Dawkins' approach to defining atheism proactively from a reasoning perspective -
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins - in these regards, Victor.
In what ways could Nontheist Friends begin to design such atheist and logic surveys - and generate credible research as well as news' articles about this?
This could in part emerge eventually from the "Nontheist Friends' wiki school at World University and School" -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Nontheist_Friends_(atheist_Quakers%3F) - for open teaching and learning (accessible from the Wikipedia Nontheist_Quakers' article -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheist_Quakers - which is also in Spanish) - and its upcoming "Universitian" Newspaper.
Wiki World University & School has a NEW Wiki in Mediawiki -
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org - I'm very glad to say. Soon to be in Wikipedia's 358 languages -
http://worlduniversityandschool.org - and the NtF wiki school at WUaS will become easier to use, and in more languages. (Friendly-informed WUaS hasn't hired yet).
Friendly regards,
Scott
https://twitter.com/scottmacleod
https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod
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For example, re Dawkins:
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/897067391309541376
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Hi All,
The responses are fascinating, and correct, but I did want to pose a counter argument to our logical analysis. If we do a straightforward translation from English into formal logic then yes, people's response is ludicrous. The question Victor quotes is
>> The survey question was about a hypothetical serial killer and asked "Which is more probable? 1) The man is a teacher; or 2) The man is a teacher and does not believe in any gods."
We are assuming people translate this into logic in the way Bill points out:
>> Which is more probable? 1) A; or 2) A and B". The correct answer under the rules of logic is always (1) which is more probable
But I do not think that is how people translate the English into logic. I think people treat the language as an idiom and translate it into the logic that seems more fruitful, more likely, as otherwise the question seems pedantic and daft. I think they reach for a more Bayesian translation: which is greater P(M|A) or P(M|A&B)? I.e which is more probable, that the person is a serial killer given that we already know they are a teacher, or that the person is a serial killer given that we already know they are a teacher and an atheist.
The same discussion ensues about people's misguided attitude to atheists, but their logic is *not* flawed.
Cheers,
Tim.
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Victor, Tim and All,
(Nice to hear from you, Tim). Might you be suggesting that the NYTs shared a kind of "fuzzy logic", or a news story about a poorly designed study, Victor, and that paying attention to how the public thinks of atheists, including Nontheist Friends / atheist Quakers, and in the context of major news' media, such as "The Times," as influencers of public opinion, might be important?
Just coded these "Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations," somewhat logically, and definitely with Nontheist Friends / atheist Quakers in mind ... curious about the logic in Patanjali's Sutras ... and re these ... Yogic logic (which can probably be extended to new kinds of logic emerging from the information age and computation and related philosophy and mathematical focuses) may have something in common with logics emerging from religious thinking or moral philosophy ...
Definitely coded ...
http://www.scottmacleod.com/yoganotations.html ... decided to riff a bit and just created "Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations" coming into conversation with Angela and Victor's Yoga and as perhaps an alternative to Patanjali's Yoga Sutras too ... which I've been hesitating doing for years ... Didn't come out too badly ... What would Hippy-anjali write down and sing as key yoga code for the next 3 millennia, coming into conversation with old fat-and-jolly as Yogini Angela Farmer has called Patanjali (of the Yoga sutras) ... I wonder? :) ...
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/08/ovule-what-would-hippy-anjali-write.html ...
Who here is familiar with the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali - and as a kind of logical system even? Or with Angela Farmer and Victor van Kooten's Yoga? ... and all re Nontheist Friends / atheist Quakers?
While these "Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations" might also parallel a kind of "hippy logic" and "atheists' meditation logic" or "NtFs' meditation logic" " they also seem to have something to do with "Harbin Hot Springs' logic"
- http://bit.ly/HarbinBook and https://twitter.com/HarbinBook (my recent book) - and possibly NtF logic too? Foundations of logic seem relevant here, and possibly vis-a-vis Quakers' historic peace testimony - and related questions of non-harming and ahimsa. (I won't look up logic at this time in the Oxford Companion to Philosophy 2nd ed. for example).
Victor, I share your concerns: " So my conclusion is that around 60 percent of the population has trouble with logical thinking and is biased against atheists. The other 40 percent is either (1) not biased against atheists or (2) does well at logical thinking, or both. Somewhat depressing. I don't know whether the survey authors designed it this way intentionally or are they bad at logical thinking too?"
But per my previous email in this thread, I hope that NtFs might be able to create better designed studies than this one, as well as related publications. And might NtFs also create new kinds of logic itself?
Jaima,
Scott
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Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations
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i ...
Yoga is the inner releasing action {relaxation response} of the bodymind/brain for we language-using human primates
ii ...
~ Practice Angela and Victor Yoga bodymind explorations including inner movements playfully ~ http://www.angela-victor.com
and Underground Yoga {which will hopefully move online with interactive yoga avatarbots
beyond videos} ~ See, too, Angela's Feminine Unfolding ~
~ Play and learn from these inner releasing actions & listen inside to what comes up
~ Care with compassion, ~ and enjoyably travel to hot springs for meditation in warm pools ...
{I'm thinking here of meditating in the warm pool of Harbin Hot Springs} ...
or meditate at home in your bath tub {in a virtual Harbin eventually}, and open your awareness/find benefit in daily travel like walking
~ There's much wellness & scientific evidence for the health benefits, in general,
of a low-fat, natural foods diet (e.g. 5-9 servings of fruits, grains,
vegetables and legumes per day), as well as 30 minutes of daily
movement, some aerobic like dancing
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1. Helpful guidelines for care / love in living?
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Caring_and_Loving
In the information age re Hippy-Yoga,
am appreciative too of Google's "Don't be evil" philosophy, Creative
Commons, and Stanford Law thinking re law in each of all ~200 nation states
2. Positive observances ~ unwind
3. Yoga bodymind explorations including inner movement ~ play
4. Breathing ~ Mmmmm feels so good {Angela-wise} ~ explore
5. Come home inside into your bodymind at times to regenerate yourself
6. Focus in releasing ways to connect in a kind of oneness in neurophysiology
(and re Csikszentmihalyi's "Flow" experience)
7. Connectedness and "it's just happening"
8. Bring it on home ~ Oneness ~ Cosmic Consciousness
1.
~ Non-harming (yummy vegetarian food with an egg and multi-vitamin a day is a boon)
~ Truthfulness
~ Non-stealing
~ Learning from other species, hippy human primate yogis as potentially free Bonobo chimpanzees revel in sexuality/intimacy/touch, but non-harming and care can be and are
significant balances for sexuality that damages; have kids if you like,
and raise good families; hippy Yogini earth mother says have lots of babies and raise them well & with much love
~ Adhibit (Engage), troop bond and pair bond with grace and ecological
balance with others (re John Money's "Concepts of Determinism" ~ http://scottmacleod.com/anthropology/determinism.htm)
2.
~ Attune yourself through daily exploration of an inner releasing action
{relaxation response} as a kind of inner bodymind house cleansing
~ Contentment neurophysiology brain-wise can be facilitated with the
harmonizing effect of omega-3 fatty acids (flax seed oil capsules 7-10
per day) ...
~ Simplicity in Friendly / Quaker / non-theistic f/Friendly / atheist Quaker senses is great
~ Cultivate learning consciousness of your own neurophysiology (much more STEM research needed) and actions, and
conversation in these regards with a psychotherapist {self awareness therapy} if this would be
helpful ... Opening
to freedom, be aware of the religious Yogic MEMES (i.e. replicating
cultural units) in your bodyminds, for example, chanting, that take
take away freedom, even while beneficially focusing the mind and
creating "flow" experiences
~ Bond well with your tribe, your partner(s), in a contented marriage, your group, your wildness too; lie on your back for the
relaxation response daily, and if this emerges as a kind of inner
attuning devotion, great
3.
Angela and Victor Yoga inner body pose explorations ...
Angela Farmer, Fluid Frame:
"YORGA IS THE JOURNARY OF THE SELF, THROUGH THE SELF, TO THE SELF.
The Bhagavad Gita
... Learning from partner poses can be wonderful
4.
Angela and Victor Yoga inner body breathing explorations ...
Angela
at about 42 minutes
5.
Come home inside into your bodymind at times ~ and re Angela and Victor's Yoga
6.
Focus to connect in a kind of oneness (re Csikszentmihalyi's "Flow"
experience) ~ where you can do this by releasing and explorating especially
iii ...
Into the Inner Body
7.
Connectedness and "it's just happening"
"turn on, tune in, drop out"
8.
Bring it on home ~ oneness ~
~ India is eternally fascinating ~
~ flow ~ in the zone ~
entheogenically even ~ cosmic consciousness ~
Angela
at about 43 minutes
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Non-theistically friendly Yoga is good ... appreciating friendliness here ...
Care with compassion, ~ and enjoyably travel to hot springs for
meditation in the warm pools, and especially for positive, serene nudity
and eroticism, such as at Harbin Hot Springs (both on-the-ground and eventually online) ...
Cultivate kindness, oneness, connectedness, community, communitas, freedom, care,
love, peace, harmonizing and flourishing ... and goodness ... as well as music and art in beautiful nature
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Cultivate specific kinds of beneficial inner bodymind neurophysiology as if by practicing a musical instrument ~
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Explore how this inner body releasing Yoga feels to connect further, and for self-learning.
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We may have to compose the music with which to sing something like this. :)
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Angela Farmer's "The Feminine Unfolding" ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soA-PHxcgbI
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Cultivate Regenerative Yoga where
Yoga is meditation ~ the inner releasing action {relaxation response}
of the bodymind/brain ~ for we creative language-using human primates
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Hippy~anjali Yoga Notations
Imaginative ~ Freeing ~ Easing
~ Integrating
Hippy-anjali Yoga Notations
(as an alternative to the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali,
and as conversation with Angela and Victor's Yoga)
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