Tuesday, July 31, 2018

Bornean gibbon: Entering campus ~ Motherboard



Entering campus,

Between ...

These palms, these oak lands

Lead to Stanford's church

Neurophysiology symbol zone ~

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To 'Haiku~ish' label here ~ http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/haiku-ish :)



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- https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1024440202117275648

- https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1024447090275966976





- https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1024447688320765952





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Artichoke: Delivering - OPERA-WISE - language, words, music, symbols, poetry, lyrics - e.g. in the delivery of a sentence - with potential multiple meanings ... Stanford as university experiment & vis a vis Stanford university prisoner & guard social psychology experiment in 1971 by emeritus Prof Phil Zimbardo (see 2015 film) leads me to develop further World Univ & Sch as EXPERIMENT > https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Social_Psychology … Online Veterinary Medicine at WUaS and re robotic veterinary surgery planned with #ActualVirtualRobotics - for Africa & in all ~200 countries - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States - for online Vet Degrees for online remote Veterinary Medicine - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Veterinary_Medicine -


Hi M,

Glad travel back from Cuttyhunk to the SF Bay Area went smoothly, and glad too to have our smartphone hotspots for you and me set up and working both on Cuttyhunk, and wherever we have wi-fi access while traveling.

Visiting the Robb's was great and our visit kindled in me an interest in delivering - opera-wise - language, words, music, symbols, poetry, lyrics, writing, what I wear clothing-wise (they seemed to be doing this just a bit - e.g. in the delivery of a sentence - with potential multiple meanings and in relation to the social experiences we were talking about, and possibly in the clothing they wore, and changed into, etc. (Maybe they're going to Opera in Boston these years, and learning from it:).

I can see exploring this further both in Google Voice, as well as especially with the Scratch drag and drop programming language - in its little stage for programming ...


... so I here and now just started using voice to create a sentence/express an idea basically for the first time ever:

"OK Google and I wonder how much as I speak this I could add this voice to scratch drag-and-drop and then coat (create) something with Google Voice in [started to say Scratch, but Google Voice wrote 'Scranton'] the scratch drag-and-drop programming language." ... pretty good and robust voice technologies -wow!

Stanford as an university experiment (emerging from the well-known Stanford university prisoner and guard social psychology experiment(s) beginning around 1971 leads me to want to see World University and School as an experiment more fulsomely, both with online roles in Google group video Hangouts in all kinds of ways, for example, but also administratively and across languages too.

Looks like they turned it into a film in 2015 - https://youtu.be/3XN2X72jrFk ... the Prof. Phil Zimbardo, who did this landmark experiment is still around and emeritus.

Have fun on Cuttyhunk, Ma!

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Stanford as university experiment & vis a vis Stanford university prisoner & guard social psychology experiment in 1971 by
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Hi Zulu,

Nice to meet and talk with you on the plane yesterday.

Brainstorming-wise, here's the Veterinary Medicine - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Veterinary_Medicine - wiki subject at World University and School for open teaching and learning, and if you check on out the OCW, the Tufts' Vet courses, now retired (e.g. http://ocw.tufts.edu/Content/60/lecturenotes/896102) are the best examples of what WUaS would like to offer for credit online for online Vet Medicine degrees in all ~200 countries' official languages (but check out the MIT OCW courses here as an example too - https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/biological-engineering/20-442-molecular-structure-of-biological-materials-be-442-fall-2005/). This would all be on the non-profit side of WUaS.

On the for-profit WUaS Corp side, here's the very very beginning of both the Academic Press at WUAS (planned in all 7097 living languages) - http://worlduniversityandschool.org/AcademicPress.html - as well as the BOOKSTORE ... and for veterinary medicine technologies and supplies too.

Re a robotic vet, see - https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1023919753436569600 & https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1024138141127430144 - and imagine it doing robotic surgery in very remote Africa, with a vet at UC Davis or at Stanford doing the surgery. Here's the related robotic carpenter / cleaner idea -
WUaS Press / WUaS Co - https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1023924935620747264 .

Let's stay in touch about some of this with time, and how might we best explore some of this further? Would you have interest in developing the WUaS for-profit side further in these regards at some point - and in South Africa / Africa, for example? (Unfortunately we don't have any money yet).

What's your experience with the Zulu language?

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robotic veterinary surgery
Penn Vet | Robotic Imaging
https://youtu.be/nFXUcH8vWwI
Robotics-Controlled Equine Imaging System
http://www.vet.upenn.edu/veterinary-hospitals/NBC-hospital/services/imaging/robotic-imaging
Scrub robotic nurse assisting vet surgeon
https://youtu.be/M7p-0CR0TdU
Vet students train on realistic, robotic dog
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Brainstorming-wise, here's online Veterinary Medicine at WUaS and re robotic veterinary surgery https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/07/artichoke-delivering-opera-wise.html planned with #ActualVirtualRobotics - for Africa & in all ~200 countries' for online Vet Degrees for online remote Veterinary Medicine https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States -




https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1024327777430863873


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Veterinary Medicine at WUaS:
For  #ActualVirtualRobotics re robotic veterinary surgery see MIT https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/994979618963755009 & https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/07/artichoke-delivering-opera-wise.html in Africa & all ~200 countries' for online Vet Degrees for online Veterinary Medicine & #TeleRoboticSurgery > https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States -




https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1024329675714191360



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Monday, July 30, 2018

Rose-crowned fruit dove: Robotic capture and release of delicate underwater creatures, origami-inspired design, CSAIL at MIT Boston Dynamics' SpotMini #ActualVirtual, SpotMini Robot can now open doors, Robot Cleaner & Robot Carpenter combining MIT's/BD's SpotMini w Harvard's Origami Petals' robot ? Window-washing etc. w/ door opening arm, … Dusting/Cleaning wine glasses w Petals' robot w #ActualVirtual design, "JOI ITO IDEAS - WHY WESTERNERS FEAR ROBOTS AND THE JAPANESE DO NOT," While this MiniSpot robot is a bit scary - I wonder further how we can develop similar for peace-making, nonharming (ahimsa) and care-generating purposes, - and explore too all the issues of avatar agency in a realistic virtual earth (re machine learning and artificial intelligence), for example, before we let these robots go free with their machine learning and as physical entities


This new device with an origami-inspired design, enables easy capture and release of delicate underwater creatures



https://twitter.com/Harvard/status/1020020453719650308


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Robotic capture and release of delicate underwater creatures, origami-inspired design
https://twitter.com/Harvard/status/1020020453719650308
CSAIL at MIT Boston Dynamics' SpotMini #ActualVirtual -
https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/994979618963755009
SpotMini Robot can now open doors
https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/963197755933020160 >
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Boston Dynamics' SpotMini can autonomously navigate an office space & climb stairs:



https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/994979618963755009



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WHY WESTERNERS FEAR ROBOTS AND THE JAPANESE DO NOT

https://www.wired.com/story/ideas-joi-ito-robot-overlords/?mbid=social_twitter_onsiteshare


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In 's latest Ideas column, he grapples with the historical, religious, and cultural differences underlying the different views of robots in Japan and the West.






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Sunday, July 29, 2018

Waiotapu: Celebration of a small scale solar electricity-generating grid on Cuttyhunk Island, Massachusetts, It's now connected to the town's grid, and providing abundant energy to the town, as well as enormous savings, Cuttyhunk windmill (1977-1991)


Went to a celebration of a small scale solar electricity-generating grid on Cuttyhunk Island, Massachusetts, yesterday. Hope to post a few pictures soon.

It's now connected to the town's system, and providing abundant energy to the town, as well as enormous savings. I see this as a realized vision emerging from the energy independence thinking of the 1960s and 1970s - and the building of the Cuttyhunk windmill in the mid 1970s (which was taken down in 1991). (I was around Cuttyhunk in the 1970s as a teen, and a bunch of hippies basically built this windmill, which was never connected to the Town of Gosnold's power system which used diesel fuel for decades).





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'how long did the Cuttyhunk windmill last wikipedia?'

  1. 1977  Windmill (80' high with 40' blades) built on Lookout Hill, to supplement generated electricity, but never integrated. Torn down in 1991. 

https://www.cuttyhunkhistoricalsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/CH_EI-TIMELINE-master.pdf






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Saturday, July 28, 2018

Balloon plant: A call for a realistic VIRTUAL Harbin #RealisticVirtualEarth in Street View, at cellular & atomic levels, & for developing #ActualVirtual correspondence - for physics & chemistry & STEM learning Help folks travel to Harbin realistically & in Lego robot space craft they build too, n calling for #RealisticVirtualHarbin in a #RealisticVirtualEarth beginning w Street View w TIME SLIDER /Maps/Earth/Brain/Translate/TensorFlow+, for … in what ways will we be able to wiki-add data w voice/#Brainsets?


A call for a realistic VIRTUAL Harbin #RealisticVirtualEarth in Street View, at cellular & atomic levels, & for developing #ActualVirtual correspondence - for physics & chemistry & STEM learning Help folks travel to Harbin realistically & in Lego robot space craft they build too



https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1023278709149782016



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Visit Harbin gate at left in Street View -In calling for #RealisticVirtualHarbin in a #RealisticVirtualEarth
beginning w Street View w TIME SLIDER /Maps/Earth/Brain/Translate/TensorFlow+, for
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy?m=0 … in what ways will we be able to wiki-add data w voice/#Brainsets?



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Friday, July 27, 2018

Gull: Sailing to Penikese Island, Glad Harvard Prof Jim McCarthy thinks climate change / global warming is manageable albeit still a ginormous problem (access article from here), Historical_Societies_Open_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources at WUaS


Hi David,

Thanks for your email. It's been downright moist and warm here the past two nights on Cuttyhunk, - but on the whole pretty good weather. Glad Harvard Prof Jim McCarthy thinks climate change / global warming is manageable albeit still a ginormous problem (article accessible from here - https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/02/harvards-james-mccarthy-honored-for-climate-change-insights/ - from - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/05/spiderwort-heart-in-box-eg-university.html).

Just sailed to Penikese in a Laser sailboat - great sail - and walked barefoot to the far side (the cemetery). Crossed my mind once again that landing on Penikese Island like this could be like when Bartholomew Gosnold's ilk may have landed here around 1600. (Met Joan Pierce, there for a week on vacation (but who actually works in her day job for Mass. Fish and Wildlife). Nice to talk, and nice trip all in a wee fast sailboat ... Met Dave and Nancy Twichell coming back in at the CYC dock (who are leading lights in the Cuttyhunk Historical Society -
http://www.cuttyhunkhistoricalsociety.org ... see, too https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Historical_Societies_Open_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources ) ... and Nancy was observing how Penikese has always been a school in recent decades. (I see the Penikese School as a semi-realized vision out of the 1970s -around 1973 - by kind of a bunch of hippies, some Vietnam Vets become hippy). Hope this school can get up and running again as a state of Massachusetts' program for disadvantaged kids from New Bedford and vicinity, (to get out of their neighborhoods, I think, and to learn skills  carpentry skills, at one point). Apparently its founder George Cadwalader is still around - and could be potentially helpful in getting it working again 

Yes, great the Days have got what used to be Muggsy (Malcolm, I think) and Flo Thompson's place ... the old store, (but not the 'old, old' store), 'Abaft the House' was its sign (made by Steve Baldwin in the 1970s I think) - and in which I worked as a teen. Teaching sailing at the Cuttyhunk Yacht Club with you was really fun :) ( https://cuttyhunkyachtclub.wildapricot.org ).

May head to the historical society, and volunteer to docent. My mother comes in the evening, I'm glad to say. In affirmation of history and historical societies, David - https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1022643076865642496 & https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1022641784416030722 ...

Keeping my fingers crossed about a position at Stanford, and re World University and School.

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In response to all the squawking of many many gulls - one long squawk and 3 shorter squawks in a row, I think I heard, and were two major sound patterns - I stopped and jokingly started conducting them sitting on a stone wall, and flying over my head, but it soon occurred to me that their squawks came first before my hand-waving 'conducting actions,' ... so I later told some friends that the gulls were conducting me. :)


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Sailing to Penikese Island near Cuttyhunk Island, Massachusetts,
Glad Harvard Prof Jim McCarthy thinks climate change / global warming is manageable albeit still a ginormous problem
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/07/sailing-to-penikese-island.html?m=0 - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Sailing & /History @WorldUnivAndSch -The Penikese Sch




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Gull: Sailing to Penikese Island, Glad Harvard Prof Jim McCarthy thinks climate change/global warming is manageable albeit still a ginormous problem (access article from here) Historical_Societies_Open_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources @WorldUnivAndSch - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/07/sailing-to-penikese-island.html ~




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Thursday, July 26, 2018

In an EV3? ... In what ways could our kids - & NASA too! - best head to Mars in the 2030s - ESPECIALLY in a #RealisticVirtualUniverse & re Lego Drones - #LegoDrones @WUaSPress #Mars2030s > #ActualVirtual - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Space - A call for a #RealisticVirtualUniverse at the Street View, cellular & atomic levels, & for developing #ActualVirtual  correspondence - for physics & chemistry & space exploration. Help our students travel to #Mars2030s realistically & in Lego robot space craft they design/build, Nontheist Friends and virtual Harbin / Earth


In an EV3?
https://t.co/iycbqhZOzX
In what ways could our kids - & NASA too! - best head to Mars in the 2030s - ESPECIALLY in a #RealisticVirtualUniverse -
https://t.co/1JGKW2D1x2
& re Lego Drones - #LegoDrones @WUaSPress #Mars2030s >
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Space
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In an EV3? In what ways could our kids - and NASA too - best head to Mars in the 2030s ESPECIALLY in a #RealisticVirtualUniverse -
https://t.co/1JGKW2D1x2
& re Lego Drones https://t.co/qwJC8SyF4c - #LegoRobotics @WUaSPress #Mars2030s >
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Space
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From Jim C to the non-theism Friends' email list. ...

Message from a Friend

“When I study the matter universe, I am continually struck by a feeling of wonder.  I don't imagine that the structures, functions, etc. that I see have been miraculously created by processes outside the possibility of rational analysis and so on, but that still leaves me feeling "awed" by the Wonder of it all.


On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-4, W wrote:
Hello All, 

I am not new to the idea of Nontheism, and not new to the practices of an organized religion, but very new to Quakerism. I have been a self-proclaimed secular humanist for quite some time now, but before that, I was completely devoted to the Christian church. I was so devoted to the faith that I wished to spend my life studying Christian theology. It was in the beginnings of that research that I lost the "faith." Since I have lost my faith, I have had no group to call home. I am an early 20s midwestern small-town guy, and I am very alone in my beliefs here. Though I still pray to what I call the Personifications of Ideologies, meaning that I will pray to Odin not believing in Odin, but believing in what he represents. In a way, it's focusing my mind on the category of wisdom and foresight with the name of that category being Odin. Aphrodite and love is another example. This practice allows me to keep my habit of prayer even though it's a sort of pseudo prayer, and allows me to think and live a little bit like my ancient ancestors. This personal version of prayer also satisfies my need for an inner dialog that is directed towards ideas and things that are bigger than I am. I have the habit of prayer that still I need but I have no group. I came across the Nontheist Friends searching for a group to call home, but I can't seem to find a list of tenets or practices. What is the inner light and does it have something to do with enlightenment? Is a Nontheist Quaker a pacifist? Are there rules? Whether there is a formal list of Nontheist Quaker tenets or not, I would love to see a summary of rules and ideologies.      

Thank you for letting me join your email group and for taking the time to read what I have to say. I look forward to learning more about Nontheist Quakerism and speaking with you all.

Have a pleasant day!
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Hi Jim, and Wyatt, and non-theist Quakers (there are some among us:),

It might be interesting to add ideas about NtFs and the 'inner light' here -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheist_Quakers - which may have some further related information you could be interested in re NtFs, Wyatt and Jim. It's wiki, so it's editable (and there's also a Spanish version, interestingly).

And here are some recent related Tweets
about creating a realistic virtual universe -
https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1022456018666774528 ...

And about Odin and Aphrodite, and learning at virtual Harbin Harbin Hot Springs and re World Univ & Sch -
https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1022473340156616712 (there's an aspect about learning in virtual worlds with avatars, foe example, where this involves creating, as in creative computing) ...
And a call for a realistic virtual Harbin in a #RealisticVirtualEarth at Street View, cellular & atomic levels, & for developing #ActualVirtual correspondence, which we could all build & for ethnographic/myth/religion study - Help #NtFs visit virtual @HarbinBook & learn abt eg Odin/Aphrodite too

There's much wonder in NtF creation especially.

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Thank you for the replies, quote, and links. I'll certainly be looking into this further. 

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018

Sprouting: So much AERONAUTICS & Aerospace_Engineering learning potential w Lego Drones ESPECIALLY in a REALISTIC VIRTUAL UNIVERSE #LegoDroneControllers #AI #Robotics #Drones #EdTech #Mars2030s, Lego in Google Streetview, Now how to add Lego WeDo2 & Mindstorms EV3 for programmable robotics in StreetView?


So much AERONAUTICS & Aerospace_Engineering -
learning potential w Lego Drones https://t.co/qwJC8SyF4c ESPECIALLY in a REALISTIC VIRTUAL UNIVERSE #LegoDroneControllers #AI #Robotics #Drones #EdTech #Mars2030s >




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lego in google street view
https://t.co/oKaZR2B529
Brick Street View renders Google Maps in Lego
https://t.co/FcfFSAxvBo
-https://t.co/bfc5FQu34V
-https://t.co/vCFKN4xJdL
-https://t.co/rmUsWcHE6v
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Lego debuts #drone controllers to enable experiential #learning for kids >> @LEGO_Group via @MikeQuindazzi >> #AI #Robotics #Drones #AutonomousVehicles #EdTech https://t.co/q024mvgEOJ


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Tuesday, July 24, 2018

Wave: Curious how with brainwave headset music-making we'll be able to slip in harmonies & voices in playing (eg Scottish Country Dancing) with other people & instruments that we night not be able to do technically or in other ways *


Curious how with brainwave headset music-making we'll be able to slip in harmonies & voices in playing (eg Scottish Country Dancing) with other people & instruments that we night not be able to do technically or in other ways https://t.co/gxX1GnZAL0 & https://t.co/xtW9JiglPu *






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Monday, July 23, 2018

Huanglong pools: Developing the use of brain wave head sets into a realistic virtual earth (Think Google Street View / Maps / Earth / Brain +)& for STEM & even robotics, will facilitate envisioning THEORY anew GREATLY ... Thx @heather_paxson ~ @MIT ~


Developing the use of brain wave head sets into a realistic virtual earth (Think Google Street View / Maps / Earth / Brain +)
& for STEM https://t.co/2TAKxmAfMg & even robotics, will facilitate envisioning THEORY anew GREATLY
https://t.co/qljGhfhDiP Thx @heather_paxson ~ @MIT ~


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What might it mean to envision theory, rather than think it? How might we embody theory? Feel it? Check out this post on bringing experiential learning into a theory seminar: https://t.co/qiXsefuZfd






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Sunday, July 22, 2018

Fruit dove: atheist Quakers


Thanks John, Robin, Cynthia, Anita, Brian and NtFs,

Robin, am glad too that it's only concern about a word (nontheism) that's at stake these days, - and at FGC re NtFs ... Persecution would be worse. Am curious too to explore the words 'atheist Quakers' together further.

Cynthia and Anita ... how to create NtF writings / videos in a similar vein, which are inspiring? Enjoyed the previous writing you sent to Anita re AFSC (It's here to Wyatt - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/07/high-cairngorms-nontheist-friends-ntfs.html?m=0 ). Maybe in this email group?

Brian:
Sounds a bit Edmund Leach-informed in terms of anthropological theory, albeit I appreciate the interweaving of Friends with Anthropology idea-wise. And re your "the value of Quaker meeting ... is that it enhances the collaborative social awareness of the participants, giving each participant value as a member of the group, and each meeting productive force within the larger community" ... and via the place-based unprogrammed Quaker Friends General Conference (albeit in a different place each year, and only for one week a year) - and NtFs / AQs have only been part of this for a few years, and via, perhaps more significantly, this NtFmail list? Both are distributed networking information technologies (actually and metaphorically), I'd suggest as well - which are the values of some of the social forces of NtFs (as a social scientist as well, I'm a bit of a Castellian - as in Castells' trilogy "The Information Age: Economy, Society and Culture," the first of which is entitled "The Rise of the Network Society" and the second. "The Power of Identity". Re Castells, and culture anew: "The new development is a 'culture of real virtuality', which describes a culture that is organized around electronic media" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Information_Age:_Economy,_Society_and_Culture). As an anthropologist, I've written about counterculture and vis a vis conceptions of culture ( ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~ ). Both I.T. and place play a significant role in my social scientific anthropological thinking - and about emergent culture. And I touch on both Quakers and NtFs in my actual-virtual Harbin ethnography - a fair amount actually. . .

And how might we explore these NtF questions (the emergence of NtF gatherings, thinking and conversations such as at FGC) further in a realistic virtual earth, and even re a new social theory I'm calling ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy -
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy?m=0 - I wonder? 

For example, here in a beginning way you'll find a virtual earth ~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ which we can meet in - in Google group video Hangouts, and add to (photos, videos of NtF sessions, I think) ... eg "walk" down the road 4 miles to Middletown CA and "amble" around the streets there. Maybe we could even do further NtF outreach to Lake County Quakers who might be interested ^ receptive. (I can think of one Quaker there, Ed, who has visited Harbin for years and attends its oldest group (AAs) and who might be interested in participating with both NtFs, and AAs in a virtual Harbin, virtual earth (& possibly at a virtual FGC).

Thanks for the NtF report from FGC.

Friendly cheers,
Scott



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Greetings All.  I believe I attended all of the Nontheist presentations at the Gathering and I think all were well received.  John Hunter's presentation on Monday and my presentation on Tuesday had 30+ participants.  Most participants were familiar with Nontheism but there were several who came to find out more about it.  I think they came informed and with a good impression.  I was in the Virtuous Instinct for Truth workshop comparing the Quaker method with the scientific method and several workshop participants attended Nontheist events.  As the week progressed there was some fall-off in Nontheist attendance.  There was lively discussion during John's final presentation/discussion Where to From Here re: next year's Gathering but I don't recall anything was definitely decided about a Nontheist workshop.  There was considerable discussion regarding the name Nontheist and whether it was the best name for the group.  I believe there was considerable agreement that the Nontheist Room should continue next year.


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I just watched the video Cynthia refers to.   

This statement of Quaker beliefs, which I believe is basically correct, causes me to question whether I, as an atheist, I can remain a Quaker.  Maybe it is the language that gets in the way.  I'm going to try to address each point with my own language.

The belief in a "living, dynamic, spiritual presence at work in the world" stumps me.  Maybe love, compassion, empathy can be substituted for god?  But, I don't experience it as a working presence very often.

There is that of god in everyone--I suppose there is love, compassion, empathy in each person, or most persons.

Yes, I can experience love, compassion, empathy.  Is it enlarged in community?  Depends on the community.  But, other people are necessary.

I don't use the Bible these days, but I was raised with the Bible and I am sure the basic values of Jesus still are with me.

Revelation is a difficult word.  We could just call it awareness.

Welcoming truth from any source is no problem for me.

I do not feel I have been transformed by the inner experience of love, compassion, empathy.  I have to work hard to live these values in my life.  My failure in experiencing transformation is a major issue that keeps me doubting Quakerism.

Modeling love, compassion, empathy--I try and fail often.

Anita :-)


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This is the most interesting and productive thread I have seen on this listserv so far. As a social scientist I have to say that the value and significance of social forces (i.e. of the togetherness of particular groups of individuals) is generally not understood. Since anthropologists discovered culture in the 19th century that is what we have focused on, forgetting that culture is a product of social forces. The importance and value of the Quaker meeting (as distinct from other forms of Xianity, which focus on supernatural beings and events for which there is no credible evidence) is that it enhances the collaborative social awareness of the participants, giving each participant value as a member of the group, and each meeting productive force within the larger community.

brian 



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Monday, July 23, 2018

Dear John (and Friends),

Thank you.

And your Quaker touring looks wonderful. Found Grasmere, Ambleside, England in Google Street View / Maps - by searching on "Grasmere, England" - https://goo.gl/maps/NBeULB8wkQH2 - and while the photos I've found are stunning and interactive on smartphone - and I think we can also move through the streets of Grasmere, but it jsn't yet that easy to visit Quaker places there virtually, ie to attend Meeting online, or even to come into conversation with a George Fox avatar bot, for example, or sit in Meeting with a Margaret Fell. (Think the historical reenactment of Plimoth Plantation south of Boston -https://www.plimoth.org/learn/just-kids/virtual-field-trip - where you van interact with live actors representing pilgrims and native Americans from the 1620s, by way of comparison).

How might such a NtF / AQ virtual meeting emerge online in 350 years (e.g. in 2368) with you, John, talking about nontheistic Quakers later this year, I wonder?

Happy Friendly travels,
Scott


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John and Friends,

It could be great to find a NtF woman of color with Muslim background to talk about non-theism among Friends/Quakers in the future. Am wondering about outreach in these regards to Ramallah Friends School graduates studying at a Quaker college in the US (or perhaps to Quakers in Africa) for ex. or similar with time?

Happy travels in Grasmere and beyond, John, and thanks for being open to talking about NtFs to Quakers at large.

Friendly NtF cheer,
Scott





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