"Z-inspection: Toward a Process to Assess Ethical AI" -
https://youtu.be/jrwuZvt_H7k
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Much of following communication relates to ethics' thinking in conversation with Prof. Roberto Zicari's IBM CSIG talk (above) from last Thursday, and Jim Spohrer ...
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(Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.com>
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com>
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/archives/2233)
Jim,
Thanks. I'm planning to re-watch the "Ethics in the Digital Transformation" Harvard panel again as well.
If this might conceptually find form eventually in something like Google Poly library of digital objects, or in Second Life / Open Sim's interchangeable library of virtual objects, theoretically informed by AI, and if this would find further form in a single realistic virtual earth (am thinking here, brainstorming-wise, Google Street View / Maps / Earth / Poly and for tele-robotic surgery at cellular and atomic levels too re Google Poly objects with digital robots and digital organs and digital Cardisio's then am appreciating Roberto's 'internal-to-Intel-German-Univs-IBM's' Ethics' AI process) ... am wondering how this conceptually single realistic virtual earth could facilitate AI Ethics' inspections and re its machine learning (eg TensorFlow). Eg how could one add Cardisio to said realistic virtual earth / Google Street View with digital hearts (from some of 10,000 patients in the Stanford / Duke / Alphabet's Project Baseline) ... and inspect the AI?
Re the website - https://lwn.net/Articles/285672/ - you shared, I don't see yet the relationship between the Cardisio case example in Roberto's AI Ethics' inspection model - http://cognitive-science.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/CSIGTalkZicari.20191031.pdf - and Object Database Systems' future re website -
€ Where are Object Database Systems going? € Are Relational database systems becoming Object Databases? € Do we need a standard for Object Databases? € Why ODMG did not succeed?
If this might conceptually find form eventually in something like Google Poly library of digital objects, or in Second Life / Open Sim's interchangeable library of virtual objects, theoretically informed by AI, and if this would find further form in a single realistic virtual earth (am thinking here, brainstorming-wise, Google Street View / Maps / Earth / Poly and for tele-robotic surgery at cellular and atomic levels too re Google Poly objects with digital robots and digital organs and digital Cardisio's then am appreciating Roberto's 'internal-to-Intel-German-Univs-IBM's' Ethics' AI process) ... am wondering how this conceptually single realistic virtual earth could facilitate AI Ethics' inspections and re its machine learning (eg TensorFlow). Eg how could one add Cardisio to said realistic virtual earth / Google Street View with digital hearts (from some of 10,000 patients in the Stanford / Duke / Alphabet's Project Baseline) ... and inspect the AI?
And what happens when the 'state' entities (conceptually emerging from the UN, or the EU, or ) - any given nation state out of ~200 of them, and across languages - steps in to regulate/inspect Roberto's AI Ethics' process?
I couldn't find Robert Zicari's email and re also contacting other contributors to this IBM CSIG presentation: Irmhild van Halem, Matthew Eric Bassett, Karsten Tolle, Timo Eichhorn, Todor Ivanov, Jesmin Jahan Tithi about all of this ... but while I'm interested in AI Ethics and related audits re CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch, I'm more focuses on a variety of other questions, in WUaS's impoverishment, I come back to tying ethics with law more fulsomely. Perhaps World University and School's online Law Schools in ~200 countries' official / main languages and faculty cant teach about some of these questions under one WUaS umbrella. (India which is looking toward technology and health technology for its future generates a whole different culture and context and discourse around ethics - https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1190725047675080704 and
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/get-tinge-digital-soul - than the West).
Innovation also seems to be a key focus of this website - https://lwn.net/Articles/285672/ - you shared, and I'm glad, but I didn't hear too much focus about that in his talk, and think the example of Stanford / Alphabet and Silicon Valley since 1996 (Google) is german here, culturally, legally, AI Ethics' inspection-wise (Sacramento, California state law) and innovation-wise.
Thanks, Scott
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Related questions will emerge if Stanford Medicine / Stanford CDH finds its way to actual-virtual Harbin Hot Springs (my actual-virtual ethnographic field site) to test its promising medical devices for example - https://twitter.com/HarbinBook - and in numerous other ways in a realistic virtual Harbin Hot Springs.
PPS
Visit Harbin Gate: http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg in Street View for where AI Ethics may be further explored ... accessible from Harbin book: http://bit.ly/HarbinBook and re @WUaSPress 'Virtual Harbin' theory: http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com @WorldUnivandSch ...
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October 31, 2019
IBM CSIG talk
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Hi Jim,
Great to see you in the talk - http://cognitive-science.
All the best, Scott
Here's my question to Roberto:
| 31 October 2019 11:30am US Eastern | Roberto Zicari | Ethical AI Due Diligence | Goethe University Frankfurt | Slides |
Thanks for your edifying, timely and topical talk, Roberto. Am curious about the role of law first - and in all ~200 countries’ official languages (a CC-4 MIT OCW-centric World Univ & Sch focus) - and the history of law in response to ethical breaches re AI, and building out a framework from this - and esp. re business law? MIT (re racism and fairness AI questions) and Google/Alphabet (re TensorFlow), Stanford and re Silicon Valley history the Food and Drug Administration in relation to Big Pharma, have all addressed many related ethics' questions for example. Why not start with law (California, EU - GDPR) first in building such framework further, and then to inform ethics in the information age - re approaches to ethics' inspection?
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- Scott MacLeod - Founder & President
- 415 480 4577
- CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization.
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My question from above, formatted differently:
Thanks for your edifying, timely and topical talk, Roberto. Am curious about the role of law first - and in all ~200 countries’ official languages (a CC-4 MIT OCW-centric World Univ & Sch focus) - and the history of law in response to ethical breaches re AI, and building out a framework from this - and esp. re business law? MIT (re racism and fairness AI questions) and Google/Alphabet (re TensorFlow), Stanford and re Silicon Valley history the Food and Drug Administration in relation to Big Pharma, have all addressed many related ethics' questions for example. Why not start with law (California, EU - GDPR) first in building such framework further, and then to inform ethics in the information age - re approaches to ethics' inspection?
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Hi Scott,
I am educating myself is probably the best answer to give a this time.
Law is the logical starting point.
Since our AI's are our data - it is important to get laws around data clear and enforceable.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 10/31/2019 09:25 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim,
Great to see you in the talk - http://cognitive-science.
All the best, Scott
Here's my question to Roberto:
Thanks for your edifying, timely and topical talk, Roberto. Am curious about the role of law first - and in all ~200 countries’ official languages (a CC-4 MIT OCW-centric World Univ & Sch focus) - and the history of law in response to ethical breaches re AI, and building out a framework from this - and esp. re business law? MIT (re racism and fairness AI questions) and Google/Alphabet (re TensorFlow), Stanford and re Silicon Valley history the Food and Drug Administration in relation to Big Pharma, have all addressed many related ethics' questions for example. Why not start with law (California, EU - GDPR) first in building such framework further, and then to inform ethics in the information age - re approaches to ethics' inspection?
--
- Scott MacLeod - Founder & President
- World University and School
- http://
- 415 480 4577
- http://scottmacleod.com
- CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization.
I am educating myself is probably the best answer to give a this time.
Law is the logical starting point.
Since our AI's are our data - it is important to get laws around data clear and enforceable.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 10/31/2019 09:25 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim,
Great to see you in the talk - http://cognitive-science.
All the best, Scott
Here's my question to Roberto:
| 31 October 2019 11:30am US Eastern | Roberto Zicari | Ethical AI Due Diligence | Goethe University Frankfurt | Slides |
Thanks for your edifying, timely and topical talk, Roberto. Am curious about the role of law first - and in all ~200 countries’ official languages (a CC-4 MIT OCW-centric World Univ & Sch focus) - and the history of law in response to ethical breaches re AI, and building out a framework from this - and esp. re business law? MIT (re racism and fairness AI questions) and Google/Alphabet (re TensorFlow), Stanford and re Silicon Valley history the Food and Drug Administration in relation to Big Pharma, have all addressed many related ethics' questions for example. Why not start with law (California, EU - GDPR) first in building such framework further, and then to inform ethics in the information age - re approaches to ethics' inspection?
--
- Scott MacLeod - Founder & President
- World University and School
- http://
- 415 480 4577
- http://scottmacleod.com
- CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization.
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HI Jim,
Tomorrow, at 10 am Eastern Time, the President of Germany is live-streaming from Harvard Law School / BKC ...
"STREAMING TOMORROW | Ethics of the Digital Transformation with the President of Germany, Dr. Frank-Walter Steinmeier"
https://mailchi.mp/cyber/events-504685?e=d21d1ecc31 ... re further AI ethics' learning (at 7am PT).
Seems to me like transparency is a great AI ethics' goal to develop - in each of all ~200 countries, and in their legal systems, and re teaching law in these nation states as well (and with regard to 'ecosystems' too, which was a word Roberto mentioned at the close of the session, that emerge from say a Russia).
Best regards, Scott
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https://cyber.harvard.edu/
Jeanette Hofmann,
Matthew Liao,
Melissa Nobles,
Wolfgang Schulz,
Eva Weber-Guskar,
Frank-Walter Steinmeier,
Urs Gasser
Crystal S. Yang, Harvard Law/BKC and Governance of Artificial Intelligence Initiative
Jeanette Hofmann,
Matthew Liao,
Melissa Nobles,
Wolfgang Schulz,
Eva Weber-Guskar,
Frank-Walter Steinmeier,
Urs Gasser
Crystal S. Yang, Harvard Law/BKC and Governance of Artificial Intelligence Initiative
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Thanks again for the pointer Scott.
I plan to re-watch the Harvard panel when it is uploaded.
Roberto has a lot of interesting websites and websites - start here - https://lwn.net/Articles/
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>, Roland Vogl <rvogl@law.stanford.edu>
Date: 11/01/2019 08:58 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim, (and Roland)
Glad you were watching the end of this fascinating panel, Jim. I appreciated the philosophical comment about AI 'should' be explainable (in addition to transparent) re ethics' questions - not easy across languages. I think Roberto Zicarri might be interested in this, but I didn't catch his email at the end of his IBM CSIG talk yesterday - http://cognitive-science.info/
I may use the recording of this Harvard panel in the course I teach - http://
Great panel, some in German ... Ethics of the Digital Transformation (Webcast)
https://cyber.harvard.edu/
Jeanette Hofmann,
Matthew Liao,
Melissa Nobles,
Wolfgang Schulz,
Eva Weber-Guskar,
Frank-Walter Steinmeier,
Urs Gasser
Crystal S. Yang, Harvard Law/BKC and Governance of Artificial Intelligence Initiative
https://twitter.com/
https://twitter.com/
https://twitter.com/
Tomorrow, at 10 am ET / 7 am PT, the President of Germany is live-streaming from Harvard Law School / BKC "STREAMING TOMORROW | Ethics of the Digital Transformation with the President of Germany, Dr. Frank-Walter Steinmeier"
https://mailchi.mp/cyber/
Alles Gute, Scott
- https://twitter.com/
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:10 PM WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
HI Jim,
Tomorrow, at 10 am Eastern Time, the President of Germany is live-streaming from Harvard Law School / BKC ...
"STREAMING TOMORROW | Ethics of the Digital Transformation with the President of Germany, Dr. Frank-Walter Steinmeier"https://mailchi.mp/cyber/
Seems to me like transparency is a great AI ethics' goal to develop - in each of all ~200 countries, and in their legal systems, and re teaching law in these nation states as well (and with regard to 'ecosystems' too, which was a word Roberto mentioned at the close of the session, that emerge from say a Russia).
Best regards, Scott
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:28 AM Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Hi Scott,
I am educating myself is probably the best answer to give a this time.
Law is the logical starting point.
Since our AI's are our data - it is important to get laws around data clear and enforceable.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120
(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 10/31/2019 09:25 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] IBM CSIG talk
I plan to re-watch the Harvard panel when it is uploaded.
Roberto has a lot of interesting websites and websites - start here - https://lwn.net/Articles/
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>, Roland Vogl <rvogl@law.stanford.edu>
Date: 11/01/2019 08:58 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim, (and Roland)
Glad you were watching the end of this fascinating panel, Jim. I appreciated the philosophical comment about AI 'should' be explainable (in addition to transparent) re ethics' questions - not easy across languages. I think Roberto Zicarri might be interested in this, but I didn't catch his email at the end of his IBM CSIG talk yesterday - http://cognitive-science.info/
I may use the recording of this Harvard panel in the course I teach - http://
Great panel, some in German ... Ethics of the Digital Transformation (Webcast)
https://cyber.harvard.edu/
Jeanette Hofmann,
Matthew Liao,
Melissa Nobles,
Wolfgang Schulz,
Eva Weber-Guskar,
Frank-Walter Steinmeier,
Urs Gasser
Crystal S. Yang, Harvard Law/BKC and Governance of Artificial Intelligence Initiative
https://twitter.com/
https://twitter.com/
https://twitter.com/
Tomorrow, at 10 am ET / 7 am PT, the President of Germany is live-streaming from Harvard Law School / BKC "STREAMING TOMORROW | Ethics of the Digital Transformation with the President of Germany, Dr. Frank-Walter Steinmeier"
https://mailchi.mp/cyber/
Alles Gute, Scott
- https://twitter.com/
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:10 PM WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
HI Jim,
Tomorrow, at 10 am Eastern Time, the President of Germany is live-streaming from Harvard Law School / BKC ...
"STREAMING TOMORROW | Ethics of the Digital Transformation with the President of Germany, Dr. Frank-Walter Steinmeier"https://mailchi.mp/cyber/
Seems to me like transparency is a great AI ethics' goal to develop - in each of all ~200 countries, and in their legal systems, and re teaching law in these nation states as well (and with regard to 'ecosystems' too, which was a word Roberto mentioned at the close of the session, that emerge from say a Russia).
Best regards, Scott
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:28 AM Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Hi Scott,
I am educating myself is probably the best answer to give a this time.
Law is the logical starting point.
Since our AI's are our data - it is important to get laws around data clear and enforceable.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120
(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 10/31/2019 09:25 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] IBM CSIG talk
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Jim,
Thanks. I'm planning to re-watch the "Ethics in the Digital Transformation" Harvard panel again as well.
Re the website - https://lwn.net/Articles/
€ Where are Object Database Systems going? € Are Relational database systems becoming Object Databases? € Do we need a standard for Object Databases? € Why ODMG did not succeed?
If this might conceptually find form eventually in something like Google Poly library of digital objects, or in Second Life / Open Sim's interchangeable library of virtual objects, theoretically informed by AI, and if this would find further form in a single realistic virtual earth (am thinking here, brainstorming-wise, Google Street View / Maps / Earth / Poly and for tele-robotic surgery at cellular and atomic levels too re Google Poly objects with digital robots and digital organs and digital Cardisio's then am appreciating Roberto's 'internal-to-Intel-German-
And what happens when the 'state' entities (conceptually emerging from the UN, or the EU, or ) - any given nation state out of ~200 of them, and across languages - steps in to regulate/inspect Roberto's AI Ethics' process?
I couldn't find Robert Zicari's email and re also contacting other contributors to this IBM CSIG presentation: Irmhild van Halem, Matthew Eric Bassett, Karsten Tolle, Timo Eichhorn, Todor Ivanov, Jesmin Jahan Tithi about all of this ... but while I'm interested in AI Ethics and related audits re CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch, I'm more focuses on a variety of other questions, in WUaS's impoverishment, I come back to tying ethics with law more fulsomely. Perhaps World University and School's online Law Schools in ~200 countries' official / main languages and faculty cant teach about some of these questions under one WUaS umbrella. (India which is looking toward technology and health technology for its future generates a whole different culture and context and discourse around ethics - https://twitter.com/
https://www.
Innovation also seems to be a key focus of this website - https://lwn.net/Articles/
Thanks, Scott
PS
Related questions will emerge if Stanford Medicine / Stanford CDH finds its way to actual-virtual Harbin Hot Springs (my actual-virtual ethnographic field site) to test its promising medical devices for example - https://twitter.com/
PPS
Visit Harbin Gate: http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg in Street View for where AI Ethics may be further explored ... accessible from Harbin book: http://bit.ly/HarbinBook and re @WUaSPress 'Virtual Harbin' theory: http://scott-macleod.blogspot.
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Hi Jim,
Did you grow up as a Unitarian by any chance? Sometimes I've wondered. (My parents met and married in the Unitarian church in Cincinnati, OH, but I didn't grow up with any religion that I know of). Am curious whether Roberto is looking seeking an ethic beyond the law of each of all ~200 countries re substitute a religion for "Christian" ethics (informed too now by 'business ethics' ) ... to inform his AI Ethics' investigation process (not wanting to head in the direction of the historical legacy of the Inquisition, for example?). Is he Italian, Swiss (where one of Switzerland's 4 official languages is Italian) or?
World Univ & Sch's has been developing with a Friendly / Quaker / Atheist Quaker / Non-theist Friends/NtF process, and which is informing WUaS's ethic, and probably re AI eventually as well.
Sincerely, Scott
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Hi Jim,
Re Roberto's Cardisio heart hardware monitor with its AI example , am curious too about some alternative AI ethics' testing approaches emerging from a Consumer Reports' approach to AI ethics, if you will, and in lieu of 'inspections.' For example the new December issue of CR reviews laptops again, presumably with some budding consumer AI tools built in. A CR approach for hospital devices keeps the market in the story, and probably exists for hospitAl devices already too - and for heart monitor smart watches in CR already or almost. Extending CR testing to all 200 countries' for hospital devices and related AI - at WUaS, and as a jobs' creator in all countries/languages too?
And I just looked up 'software' in Consumer Reports va the Berkeley Public Library, and found from 2005 anti-virus product review. See below.And I don't know CR well enough to know if they've ever reviewed any comparable book titles like "cook books" etc. as kinds of AI precursors , or comparable magazines (and even magazines covered by free speech in this country such as Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, if not meeting some communities' ethical norms, for example), but wonder what AI Ethics' inspections per Roberto's thinking would do with life-like adult robots that could be programmed in some years to talk dirty for example. What if a Russian ecosystem of AI product creators crossed some ethics' panels lines, but not international legal lines in these regards?
Here's Cosmic Skeptic Atheist Alex aka Alex J O'Connor - https://cosmicskeptic.com/ - with his Youtube channel ... https://www.youtube.com/c/
Cheers, Scott
STAY SAFE ONLINE. BEST SOFTWARE TOOLS & STRATEGIES. (cover story)
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Source:
Consumer Reports. Sep2006, Vol. 71 Issue 9, p25-29. 5p. 2 Color Photographs, 1 Illustration, 3 Charts.
Document Type:
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Subjects:
COMPUTER software
COMPUTER security software
SOFTWIN SRL
CHECK Point Software Technologies Ltd.
SYMANTEC Corp.
Abstract:
The article presents a comparison of antivirus software including BitDefender, Zone Labs ZoneAlarm, and Norton Antivirus, and also presents a comparison of antispyware including products from F-Secure, Webroot, and PC Tools, and a comparison of antispam software including products from Microsoft, Apple, and Cloudmark. INSETS: NEW SOFTWARE SUITES THAT PROVIDE PROTECTION PLUS TOOLS FOR...;OUR UNIQUE ANTIVIRUS TESTING: HOW WE DID IT.
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Thanks Scott - lots of interesting ideas and thoughts in your last three emails.
I was raised non-denominational Protestant in Newburgh ME where my job was to start the fires in the winter two hours before services began, married my Catholic wife and raised our children Catholic, have an aunt who is Mormon, Jewish roots, and Mom who switched to Unitarian, and mentor Muslim scholars, while my wife works to save Native American and Indigenous languages and cultures - and admire Quakers, Amish, and even Shakers -though find them somewhat unsustainable - but perhaps in an OK wayin the bigger picture.
Trusted AI is a hot topic and will generate a lot of smoke as we all collectively muddle forward to explore its implications. Ultimately laws will be developed, though we are decades away from "real AI" - for example 2060 is when an exascale of computing is expected to cost about $1000 - our brain is an exascale (billion billion instructions per second) running on 20 watts of power to good approximation. IBM helped build and operats the fastest super-computer in the world SUMMIT - which is 1/5 the computing power of a single human brain, and consumes an amazing 13 Megawatts of power.
For WUaS goal, as language translation becomes better and better - you goal will come closer and closer to reality - and I suspect Mozilla's Common Voice is the ideal partner if you can mobilize the people whose languages are disappearing to participate in Common Voice speech donation project. It is bet to have many people who speak a language give samples, rather than one "super donor' who gives lots of their speech and accidentally incorporates bias into the data.
My philosophy of life is to be nice, be concise, and try to understand as much as possible - my theory of acting in the world is to do the smallest thing to be helpful - not trying to be too big a helper on anything or for anyone - just many, many, many small nudges in many directions for many people who are trying to realize their dream, and share a little of my understanding of the world. Not too much though - since most of it is probably wrong. Life is very short, and I am just passing through.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 11/02/2019 08:19 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim,
Re Roberto's Cardisio heart hardware monitor with its AI example , am curious too about some alternative AI ethics' testing approaches emerging from a Consumer Reports' approach to AI ethics, if you will, and in lieu of 'inspections.' For example the new December issue of CR reviews laptops again, presumably with some budding consumer AI tools built in. A CR approach for hospital devices keeps the market in the story, and probably exists for hospitAl devices already too - and for heart monitor smart watches in CR already or almost. Extending CR testing to all 200 countries' for hospital devices and related AI - at WUaS, and as a jobs' creator in all countries/languages too?
And I just looked up 'software' in Consumer Reports va the Berkeley Public Library, and found from 2005 anti-virus product review. See below.
And I don't know CR well enough to know if they've ever reviewed any comparable book titles like "cook books" etc. as kinds of AI precursors , or comparable magazines (and even magazines covered by free speech in this country such as Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, if not meeting some communities' ethical norms, for example), but wonder what AI Ethics' inspections per Roberto's thinking would do with life-like adult robots that could be programmed in some years to talk dirty for example. What if a Russian ecosystem of AI product creators crossed some ethics' panels lines, but not international legal lines in these regards? Here's Cosmic Skeptic Atheist Alex aka Alex J O'Connor - https://cosmicskeptic.com/ - with his Youtube channel ... https://www.youtube.com/c/
Visit Harbin Gate: http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcgin Street View for where AI Ethics may be further explored ... accessible from Harbin book: http://bit.ly/HarbinBookand re @WUaSPress 'Virtual Harbin' theory: http://scott-macleod.blogspot.
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:14 AM Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Thanks again for the pointer Scott.
I plan to re-watch the Harvard panel when it is uploaded.
Roberto has a lot of interesting websites and websites - start here - https://lwn.net/Articles/
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120
(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>, Roland Vogl <rvogl@law.stanford.edu>
Date: 11/01/2019 08:58 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
I was raised non-denominational Protestant in Newburgh ME where my job was to start the fires in the winter two hours before services began, married my Catholic wife and raised our children Catholic, have an aunt who is Mormon, Jewish roots, and Mom who switched to Unitarian, and mentor Muslim scholars, while my wife works to save Native American and Indigenous languages and cultures - and admire Quakers, Amish, and even Shakers -though find them somewhat unsustainable - but perhaps in an OK wayin the bigger picture.
Trusted AI is a hot topic and will generate a lot of smoke as we all collectively muddle forward to explore its implications. Ultimately laws will be developed, though we are decades away from "real AI" - for example 2060 is when an exascale of computing is expected to cost about $1000 - our brain is an exascale (billion billion instructions per second) running on 20 watts of power to good approximation. IBM helped build and operats the fastest super-computer in the world SUMMIT - which is 1/5 the computing power of a single human brain, and consumes an amazing 13 Megawatts of power.
For WUaS goal, as language translation becomes better and better - you goal will come closer and closer to reality - and I suspect Mozilla's Common Voice is the ideal partner if you can mobilize the people whose languages are disappearing to participate in Common Voice speech donation project. It is bet to have many people who speak a language give samples, rather than one "super donor' who gives lots of their speech and accidentally incorporates bias into the data.
My philosophy of life is to be nice, be concise, and try to understand as much as possible - my theory of acting in the world is to do the smallest thing to be helpful - not trying to be too big a helper on anything or for anyone - just many, many, many small nudges in many directions for many people who are trying to realize their dream, and share a little of my understanding of the world. Not too much though - since most of it is probably wrong. Life is very short, and I am just passing through.
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
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From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 11/02/2019 08:19 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
Hi Jim,
Re Roberto's Cardisio heart hardware monitor with its AI example , am curious too about some alternative AI ethics' testing approaches emerging from a Consumer Reports' approach to AI ethics, if you will, and in lieu of 'inspections.' For example the new December issue of CR reviews laptops again, presumably with some budding consumer AI tools built in. A CR approach for hospital devices keeps the market in the story, and probably exists for hospitAl devices already too - and for heart monitor smart watches in CR already or almost. Extending CR testing to all 200 countries' for hospital devices and related AI - at WUaS, and as a jobs' creator in all countries/languages too?
And I just looked up 'software' in Consumer Reports va the Berkeley Public Library, and found from 2005 anti-virus product review. See below.
And I don't know CR well enough to know if they've ever reviewed any comparable book titles like "cook books" etc. as kinds of AI precursors , or comparable magazines (and even magazines covered by free speech in this country such as Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, if not meeting some communities' ethical norms, for example), but wonder what AI Ethics' inspections per Roberto's thinking would do with life-like adult robots that could be programmed in some years to talk dirty for example. What if a Russian ecosystem of AI product creators crossed some ethics' panels lines, but not international legal lines in these regards? Here's Cosmic Skeptic Atheist Alex aka Alex J O'Connor - https://cosmicskeptic.com/ - with his Youtube channel ... https://www.youtube.com/c/
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:14 AM Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Thanks again for the pointer Scott.
I plan to re-watch the Harvard panel when it is uploaded.
Roberto has a lot of interesting websites and websites - start here - https://lwn.net/Articles/
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120
(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>, Roland Vogl <rvogl@law.stanford.edu>
Date: 11/01/2019 08:58 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
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10:23 AM (9 hours ago)
to Jim
Dear Jim,
Thanks so much for your email again. I've been watching/listening again to "Z-inspection: Toward a Process to Assess Ethical AI" - https://youtu.be/jrwuZvt_H7k - and appreciate its focus in developing process for assessing Ethical AI to avoid harm. He describes a self-driving vehicle as an object at 4:42.
With regards to ethics and technologies at MIT, I find MIT Professor of Anthropology (and Quaker I think) Heather Paxson's observations here - https://twitter.com/MIT_SHASS/status/1182280374711394304 - https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2019-computing-and-ai-humanistic-perspectives-mit-anthropology-heather-paxson - germane, and even wonder whether some WUaS Anthropology graduate students could study some of the Ethical AI questions that Zicari raises in varies countries, languages, and 'AI ecosystems of ethical principles' (Roberto's concept).
Am curious how a Z-inspection of a California/West Coast device in the California ecosystem ethic might work, paralleling a related Z-inspection of Russian AI in its Russian ecosystem ethic, and similarly with China, Africa, Indonesia and India, brainstorming-wise, and with regard to his closing observations.
In watching and thinking about Roberto Zicari's talk, and the Harvard "Ethics in the Digital Transformation" panel too, I'm curious too about developing some further groundwork for AI Ethics at MIT OCW-centric World University and School. Engaging the case or example I mentioned earlier of "what AI Ethics' inspections per Roberto's thinking would do with life-like adult robots that could be programmed in some years to talk dirty," or to talk sexually in a differential way, as objects, (like heart device monitors, or self-driving cars), I'm curious brainstorming-wise, how if law in Nevada / Netherlands already makes the sex trade legal, and if California law might make legal a gig economy including the 'sex trade,' but some ecosystems of AI ethics in these 3 places wouldn't - and also with regard eventually to AI adult robots talking sexually, how would such AI Ethics' inspections from Univ Frankfurt / Intel / IBM work into Russian or Californian AI ecosystem?
And furthermore, in a realistic virtual earth, realistic virtual Harbin (Google Street View at the cellular and atomic levels too), and for actual-virtual Harbin ethnographic field work with robotics, how would such Z-Inspections work?
Re your Trusted AI and real AI, and IBM's very fast computer, one last thing Roberto's IBM CSIG talk didn't seem to address with regard to AI Ethics' inspections is Google's so-called Quantum supremacy - https://twitter.com/techreview/status/1191021805533908994 - and also how this may play out with Google Earth / Maps / Street View / Tensor Flow - Translate too.
And re your email, am wondering how Wikidata lexemes which we all aggregate in Wikipedia's 300 languages will inform Google Translate and how to integrate/ collaborate with the Mozilla Common Voice model.
Thanks for your email this morning.
Best regards, Scott
May blog about some of this today - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/
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Thanks Scott for pointer to Heather Paxson - will try to read some of her work for insights.
Thanks, -Jim
Thanks, -Jim
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Hi Jim,
I think you'll find some anthropological insights in the Heather Paxson interview I emailed you. (Heather has a Stanford Ph.D. so she knows the California ecosystem ethics, and to Haverford College in Philadelphia, perhaps the highest achieving historically Quaker college) In terms of Friendly/Quaker ethics, and that even might be applied to Ethical AI, and with regard to the slide at 3:10 - https://youtu.be/jrwuZvt_H7k - S.P.I.C.E.S. come to mind. Quakers/Friends have long had a peace testimony, and a focus too on simplicity, truth and equality, where S.P.I.C.E.S. refers to:
Simplicity - Understandable and Explainable AI
Peace - non-harming (1:55 minute)
Integrity - Trust
Community - citizens
Equality - minimize the risk of bias
Stewardship - businesses
... and I've added the related items from the EU's Roberto Viola in the "Policy Makers and AI" slide at 3:10. Un-programmed Quakers also can seek to facilitate change with social justice, in a quiet activist way.
Looks like Roberto Zicari is Italian ...
http://gotocon.com/aarhus-2012/speaker/Roberto+V.+Zicari
https://digital.hbs.edu/people/roberto-v-zicari/
World Univ & Sch (MIT OCW-centric and wiki) may seek to engage SPICES as we engage and build an ecosystem of Ethical AI in all 7111 known living languages.
Thanks, Scott
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Jim,
And related blog post is here - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/kea-where-are-object-database-systems.html (and still a bit in development)
I could see SPICES as a complementary approach to Ethical AI and informing 'inspection' and process ideas potentially in new ways.
Thanks, Scott
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Thanks Scott - I want myQuaker-SPICES AI - Cognitive Mediator
Simplicity - Understandable and Explainable AI
Peace - non-harming (1:55 minute)
Integrity - TrustCommunity - Citizens
Equality - minimize the risk of bias
Stewardship - businesses and citizensIn the United States, the acronym SPICES is often used by many Yearly Meetings (Simplicity, Peace, Integrity, Community, Equality and Stewardship).
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 11/03/2019 08:49 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
Simplicity - Understandable and Explainable AI
Peace - non-harming (1:55 minute)
Integrity - TrustCommunity - Citizens
Equality - minimize the risk of bias
Stewardship - businesses and citizensIn the United States, the acronym SPICES is often used by many Yearly Meetings (Simplicity, Peace, Integrity, Community, Equality and Stewardship).
From: WUaS - World University and School <worlduniversityandschool@
To: Jim Spohrer <spohrer@us.ibm.com>
Date: 11/03/2019 08:49 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM CSIG talk
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Hi Jim,
Where Friends' or Quakers' historic witness to peace (anti-war movement, pacifism, war tax resistance, conscientious objection) would head with Ethical AI 'Z-inspections' per Roberto Zicari's presentation - or your Quaker-SPICES AI - Cognitive Mediator - will probably inform new AI ecosystem ethics (Russian, Californian/West Coast, African, Western Europe) (informed by language differentials as well).
Am a main author of this Non-theist Friends' Wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/
I think WUaS Law faculty will teach related subjects like 'Ethical AI Z-inspections' in our ~200 online law schools as well.
Am not clear how 'conscientious objection AI software' will develop with time - and how this could be either defined as Ethical AI or be "Ethical AI Z-inspected" - but I'd think we could already point to beginning examples of 'Conscientious Objection Ethical AI' software as precedent.
Thanks, Scott
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Hi Scott,
People are ethical in part because we are trapped in bodies that others recognize with the help of their episodic memories - so we develop reputations for being trusted or not.
AI systems need to get episodic memory systems and be held accountable (responsible) for their actions before they like people will value ethical actions over unethical actions.
Our thoughts shape our words and our word shape our actions - and our actions reveal us to others - who form opinions of us (models) based on observations.
Mini-scientific method embedded in all of us for building models of other intelligent entities that act in the world, and the reliability of others for specific tasks needs to be predictable in a well-ordered society of intelligent entities. Unpredictable behavior scares people, as does behavior outside norms - but here is the the rebels and changemakers as the Apple commercial use to say...
See: https://www.forbes.com/sites/
Thanks, -Jim
People are ethical in part because we are trapped in bodies that others recognize with the help of their episodic memories - so we develop reputations for being trusted or not.
AI systems need to get episodic memory systems and be held accountable (responsible) for their actions before they like people will value ethical actions over unethical actions.
Our thoughts shape our words and our word shape our actions - and our actions reveal us to others - who form opinions of us (models) based on observations.
Mini-scientific method embedded in all of us for building models of other intelligent entities that act in the world, and the reliability of others for specific tasks needs to be predictable in a well-ordered society of intelligent entities. Unpredictable behavior scares people, as does behavior outside norms - but here is the the rebels and changemakers as the Apple commercial use to say...
See: https://www.forbes.com/sites/
Thanks, -Jim
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Hi Jim,
Appreciating your thinking about ethics, the knowledge in your Forbes' article (which magazine has published some Quaker-related business articles in the past), as well as your business orientation - and that you are a trusted voice in the wider I.T. world - including especially your knowledge/thinking about AI and episodic memory to inform Ethical AI & re emergent voice and natural language processing ethical AI. I can read your email and article too as a response to the IBM CSIG Roberto Zicari's "Z-inspection: ... " presentation - https://youtu.be/jrwuZvt_H7k
But isn't IT innovation itself potentially scary in its disruptive-ness - and business-wise? Hacking too? But business has managed to adapt to this (I teach about some of this in my course - http://
In a related vein, Quakers are one example, in human terms, of what you write about in all 4 paragraphs. And Quakers have a history of being conscientious objectors, questioning authority, organizing social movements, (See Margaret Hope Bacon's book "The Quiet Rebels") - as well per Manuel Castells' books
- The Information Age trilogy:
- Castells, Manuel (1996). The Rise of the Network Society, The Information Age: Economy, Society and Culture Vol. I. Cambridge, Massachusetts; Oxford, UK: Blackwell. ISBN 978-0-631-
22140-1. - Castells, Manuel (1997). The Power of Identity, The Information Age: Economy, Society and Culture Vol. II. Cambridge, Massachusetts; Oxford, UK: Blackwell. ISBN 978-1-4051-
0713-6. - Castells, Manuel (1998). End of Millennium, The Information Age: Economy, Society and Culture Vol. III. Cambridge, Massachusetts; Oxford, UK: Blackwell. ISBN 978-0-631-
22139-5.
- Communication power. Oxford/New York, Oxford University Press (2009) ISBN 978-0-19-956704-1
- Networks of Outrage and Hope. Social Movements in the Internet Age. Cambridge, Massachusetts, Polity Press (2012) ISBN 978-0-74-566284-8
... "The Information Age" trilogy (early 2000s 2nd ed), Communication Power" (2009/2013) ...
Seems like many of the questions you address newly with regard to AI related to how the role of dissent in any given society ... and WUaS very loosely is envisioning ~200 nation states, and 7111 living languages, in these regards. Dissenting ethical AI - re communication between AIs, and co-constituting processes too - will be interesting to observe, especially as AI develops episodic memory. (please keep me informed about this!).
In my ongoing envisioning of a Film-to-3D application at the street view, cellular and atomic scales, and re Google Street View/TensorFlow with Second Life, but with realistic group build-able avatar bots, it's the generation of avatar bots for surgery at the cellular level too (and atomic as well) ... but also those that might realistically speak all 7,111 ... that open data will be important for informing Ethical AI in these. Potentially this Film-to-3D application would go both ways too - so that one could CRISPR edit genes in 3D in Google Poly, brainstorming-wise, and then upload them via photogrammetry to film into organisms in species - with a big need for Ethical AI here as well.
Fascinating focus and history in your article - https://www.forbes.com/
Thanks again, Scott
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Thanks Scott - good stuff http://
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
Thanks, -Jim
Jim Spohrer, PhD
Director, Cognitive Opentech Group (COG)
IBM Research - Almaden, 650 Harry Road San Jose, CA 95120(o) 408-927-1928<spohrer@us.ibm.
(m) 408-829-3112<spohrer@gmail.com
Innovation Champion: http://service-science.info/
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Thanks so much, Jim!
RE Roberto's other interest in object related databases, I think this is a key -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Object-Oriented_Model.svg from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Object-Oriented_Model.svg (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_database) .
Am curious how AI Ethics around natural languages' processing will do a brainstorming "Z-inspection ... " on the above relationships, and say, around Google Poly objects getting updated for surgery or CRISPR genetic engineering ... in a single realistic virtual earth which is planning to develop avatar bots with memory that would pass the Turing test or similar ...
Thanks, Scott
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