Scottish small pipes' theory
Scott MacLeod
Aug 2, 2020, 1:42 PM
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Taylor,
Another great! video which I just stumbled upon (re behind the scenes' view, and Scottish piping thinking / theorizing):
Behind the scenes at the Glenfiddich (2015)
https://youtu.be/qDJz4ngesT4
At 3:30 Jack Lee here talks about having recorded all the Piobaireachs from all Vols 1-15. And I'm recalling how he's basically had the tape recorded going whenever he plays (which I sent you too) ... so am seeking here to get into this again (potentially EVERY time) ... and because with this one can get direct feedback about one's own playing and theorize how to play in new ways! :)
Another sheet music theory item re A & D chanters - and quirk too perhaps Scottish small pipes, (and possibly Great Highland Pipes???): on the Scottish small pipes - and I was just playing at the piano keyboard with SSP - the SSP low A sounds an octave below than what is written on sheet music! But in your explorations using sheet music, I encourage you at first to write out the 2 SSP chanter scales like the piping sheet music in the CoP Tutors.
However, re the CoP Tutors, I also encourage you - newly - for the A chanter to write in 2 sharps into the Key Signature on C & F on every line - which refers to A mixolydian (and is actually signifying the key of D:) . Check out some other GHB sheet music online to see this notation in the staves.
We'll get to the D (and B flat) chanters' key signatures later (unless you want to explore this on your own too). (Might you eventually get a B flat SSP Walsh chanter?)
Cheers, Scott
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From musicalmacflower@gmail.com I'll send you the sheet music for Scotsaire Hornpipe which has the sharps written in ... for the A chanter!
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Hi Taylor,
ScotsAire Hornpipe with the sharps written in -
- re sheet music for the SSP A chanter.
Cheers, Scott
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Tue, Aug 4, 4:18 PM (11 days ago)
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Hi Taylor,
FYI, and regarding writing out the 9 note scale for the A & D chantes on sheet music for the SSP, I think the GHB practice chanter is 'pitched' an octave below the full GHB chanter itself - and re Scottish bagpiping sheet music especially. And so the Scottish small pipes' chanter is likely 'pitched' like the GHB practice chanter. Re writing sheet music for the SSP, this is worth keeping in mind, in these first steps. It's possible that MuseScore software will make it possible to learn to play and write Scottish small pipe music on the stave, in the octave it's actually in, easy. More later about all of this.
See you Thursday!
All re SSP musical theory, :)
Scott
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Cool, Taylor ...
Does 'Scots Wha Hae' begin on a low A or low G? Glad MuseScore is beginning to work for you, in early phases. I'd like to create a MuseScore 3.x version of 'Scots Wha Hae' similar to the one in the CoP Green Tutor, and will get back to you about this further - and perhaps on Thursday evening too we can talk about this too. But I'm attaching the beginnings of the 1st part in these regards "Scots_Wha_H'ae_1st_part."
As I recall from previous versions, MuseScore has a bagpipe 'register,' which may have given me a stave like the ones we're familiar with. And I think the score I sent you is in this bagpipe register to play with (save as, as template?). Will be looking into this further too!
Could we please use musicalmacflower@gmail.com for sending files? (This gmail is filling up a bit, and musicalmacflower@gmail.com is still pretty empty)/
Musical cheers,
Scott
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 7:03 PM Taylor Warren <taylorandrewwarren@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Scott.
I started playing around a bit with MuseScore in earnest; is something like this what you have in mind? I haven't entered the grace notes yet. I'm a bit unsure how to get rid of those rests in the first few measures (it stopped doing that after a bit as you can see). Any tips? Thanks!
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com> wrote:
Taylor,
Let's take writing SSP music a step further for this Thursday, and regarding drones too.Focusing in MuseScore on the A chanter only, on one score, let's write out the first part of Scots Wha Hae in 8 bars, - and on a separate stave let's write in the A drones playing constantly for all 8 bars too - both octaves - just to see the A drones written in. (Let's save the 2nd part for the following week)Then, if inclined, explore writing a harmony line for a 2nd A chanter - and possibly extrapolating from Amazing Grace in 5 parts, in terms of what could work.Then perhaps we can observe how the E drone, written out, might work OR NOT - on sheet music. (Since Scots Wha Hae ends on an A in the CoP Green Tutor, I think this is a great tune to see theoretically on the E drone would work).Also playing the lovely slow air "My Home," a first tune in the CoP Blue Tutor, as Stuart Liddell plays it in Piping Live 2010 (pt 3 of 8) - with such great skillful SLOW expression - I hope can inform both the playing of Scots Wha Hae and Amazing Grace - re mastery learning. ... and for future weeks re composing, drones, mastery learning, harmonies etc. :)Musical cheers, Scott
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com> wrote:Taylor, Great lesson last night.
Refreshing my memory re anatomy of a bagpipe and 'tuning slide' -"A thinner diameter portion of the drone over which an upper portion of the drone fits and adjusts for tuning"
Regarding B flat chanter, and since the Walsh SSP drones' tuning slides seem long, I think these drones would pretty easily tune too to B flat and the B flat chanter, since it's only a half step above the A drone tone.Am interested in exploring theoretically harmonics, overtones, and re drones - and 'from the inside' of us actually making these. ... and especially regarding the middle drones, which could potentially be tuned to, I'm guessing 3 or 4 notes even.If you explore writing harmony to 'Scots Wha Hae' experimentally, sometimes playing a chanter a third above another chanter playing melody can create a nice harmony. Am not sure where the D Chanter would fit in here, or how best for us to notate this - but am thinking.Re mastery learning for fingering and SSP expression, I'm a-teaching the extra-ordinary Stuart Liddell :)Regards, Scott
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:08 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com> wrote:Great! I got my Walsh SSP B flat chanter from John Walsh Bagpipes' itself - https://www.johnwalshbagpipes.com/Small- Pipes-and-Retro-Pipes/ - in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, and Canadian customs is a tiny bit of a song and a dance :) Cheers, Scott
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:05 PM Taylor Warren <taylorandrewwarren@gmail.com> wrote:Sounds good.By the way, I just reached to Lynn about whether a B chanter would work with my set. He says he’ll get back to me.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:10 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Taylor,
if you're inclined, write out just the 9 notes for the A chanter scale (adding the 2 sharps to the stave), and just 9 notes for the D chanter on a separate stave of (same) sheet music.
If you're further inclined, do this first on paper with pen or pencil, then explore writing these 18 notes again on two separate staves in MuseScore program.This could be a total of 36 notes for beginning even to learn composing SSP music :) ... Just a further SSP exploration :)Scott
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:02 PM Taylor Warren <taylorandrewwarren@gmail.com> wrote:So just so I understand my "homework", would you like me to fill out an entire sheet with the A scale including sharps? Just making sure I understand. Thanks!
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Mon, Aug 10, 8:37 PM (5 days ago)
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Taylor,
This same blog post also has that description of how to identify the key of a bagpipe tune -
Cheers, Scott
Sounds good, Taylor! (and thanks for the innovation in sharing this, by sending the video).
Keys in tunes?
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A major
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B minor
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you could play an A over F sharp minor
Found this to be interesting language:
"Scottish smallpipes are made in concert pitch so that they will be in tune with other instruments. They are also quite fun to play as a solo instrument. ... tenor drone, and a baritone drone that tunes to E mid-way between the bass and tenor" from McGillivary piping - https://piping.on.ca/john-
It's a BARITONE drone in E ...
Re writing out the, at first, A drone note in a musical score with the chanter melody, and adding the E drone on a stave, and then further listening to the E drone with piping tunes that may be in A major, B minor, C sharp D, and E, and at a push G, let's explore further listening-wise where it doesn't work, as well as which tunes from the tutors are in what keys again ... I think writing some of this out can facilitate making connections in these regards too!
Here's Connor Sincliar transcribed -
Keys in tunes?
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a bit of uniqueness in (SSP) drone sounds – (potentially with E drone sounding different)
a bit of uniqueness in (SSP) drone sounds – (potentially with E drone sounding different)
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A major
46:55
B minor
47:10
C sharp, or F sharp minor
(then going into A)
C sharp, or F sharp minor
(then going into A)
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you could play an A over F sharp minor
((what about an E drone too? – to ask Connor))
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key of D notes, Connor plays (on an ‘A’ GHB practice chanter, which is really in B flat mixolydian, or so called ‘Piper’s A’)
key of D notes, Connor plays (on an ‘A’ GHB practice chanter, which is really in B flat mixolydian, or so called ‘Piper’s A’)
At a push you’ve got
The key of G – and he plays notes on his practice chanter in this key
The key of G – and he plays notes on his practice chanter in this key
toward >
in this blog entry -
Cheers, Scott
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Fri, Aug 14, 10:27 AM (1 day ago)
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Taylor,
Further thoughts re learning SSP:
If 2 sharps in the musical stave is in the key of A mixolydian, but in D major in the ____ symphonic music register, and used to notate the Scottish bagpiping tunes in A, played on the SSP A CHANTER (where for GHB pipe music, this is referred to as piper's A, since the GHB A hovers in a range around B flat), ...
what corresponds to the D chanter? And what corresponds to the B flat chanter?
Are you going to get a lovely B flat set of SSP (in wood even, if these exist?), or simply begin by exploring a SSP B flat chanter (which has a stronger reed feel than A & D in my experience)? - https://www.
Am kind of looking around for 3 drone plugs re making tuning drones easier and better than with gooey electrical tape (but which are easier to lose to). May have to carve them (like Lynne did with one plug for me)!
Here's a further description of this, plus about Walsh SSP, FYI, including about the COMBO drone -
Two of the drones, the shortest and the longest, have small plugs tethered to their tips to silence them - one or the other of these two drones is used at a time, depending on which chanter - the “A” or the “D” - is being played.
http://www.hotpipes.com/walsh.
http://www.hotpipes.com/walsh.
And in notating the drones in MuseScore, for example, I may have said something incorrectly - since I think the bass A drone (and similar) would be notated in the Bass clef stave, since it may be the A tone an octave below the A below middle C; - baritone drone too? Most of the other tones including possibly tenor drones and chanters would be notated in the G clef on sheet music.
(Am wondering too whether (partly as a consequence of thinking through upcoming "Honey in the Bag" SSP album further in the these contexts) I could play all 3 of my chanters (in A, D and B flat) on album ... and possibly with tunes in these keys (eg 'My Home' in A, and with AEA drone combination, 'The Thistle of Scotland' in D with DAD drone combination, 'The Rejected Suitor' in B flat, with BFB drone combination).
What I'm asking myself is: what would these chanters and drones add musically, and especially, beauty-wise (both the baritone drone, as well as the 3 chanters playing tunes in their keys)?
Musical cheers,
Scott
Seems like connecting with performing and recordings can be a great creative expression of playing a musical instrument. Am wondering about an album following my upcoming "Honey in the Bag" album ... with duets, and possibly compositions, focusing on beautiful lyrical music, as well as skillful 'flow experience' for listeners' fingering SSP technique! :)
Again,
ScotsAire Hornpipe with the sharps written in -
- re sheet music for the SSP A chanter.
Cheers, Scott
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A new polypenco Bb set from Walsh is about $650 including a bag. Not a bad deal. I’ll sleep on it a bit! Maybe I’ll ask John Walsh if I can buy the chanter first and see how it really sounds with my current set. That’ll only set me back 120 bucks or so.
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Cool! I would have thought it would have been a couple of hundred more dollars than that. Is this price due partly to a low exchange rate? Some things to think about: Am appreciative of the convenience and simplicity of having just one set of pipes, and being able to travel with them (and polypenco seems slightly more durable than wood for travel ... but wood pipes are so beautiful), so using the Bb chanter in an A/D combo set would have merit in my book, if the drone tuning could be assured. But you said Jean Walsh said this doesn't work, so polypenco Bb pipes make sense; but in that a polypenco Bb chanter works to a degree in my pipes, for ex., then I might get again just a polypenco Bb chanter (and I'm not yet hankering after polypenco Bb drones - yet) ... but maybe I will, if you get a full set, and I hear them in new ways :) It would be nice to get new drone reeds in general - am wondering also whether too you could play all 3 chanters in a full set of polypenco Bb Walsh SSP.
Enjoy! -Scott
PS
In all these possible combinations of drones and chanters, I also think about resale value of one set or chanter or the other, and what might even come after just a chanter or a full set of polypenco Bb SSP
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Hey, Scott!
I also played around with my tuning pins re Bb settings; even with my tuning pin on the drone all the way down, it's slightly on the flatter end. Tuning the tenor drone was easy, though. Still fine tuning it, but what do you think? I’m still trying to figure out what to do with the middle drone especially.
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Mon, Aug 10, 8:24 PM (5 days ago)
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Sounds good, Taylor! (and thanks for the innovation in sharing this, by sending the video).
Keys in tunes?
44:45
46:45
A major
46:55
B minor
48:10
you could play an A over F sharp minor
Found this to be interesting language:
"Scottish smallpipes are made in concert pitch so that they will be in tune with other instruments. They are also quite fun to play as a solo instrument. ... tenor drone, and a baritone drone that tunes to E mid-way between the bass and tenor" from McGillivary piping - https://piping.on.ca/john-
It's a BARITONE drone in E ...
Re writing out the, at first, A drone note in a musical score with the chanter melody, and adding the E drone on a stave, and then further listening to the E drone with piping tunes that may be in A major, B minor, C sharp D, and E, and at a push G, let's explore further listening-wise where it doesn't work, as well as which tunes from the tutors are in what keys again ... I think writing some of this out can facilitate making connections in these regards too!
Here's Connor Sincliar transcribed -
Keys in tunes?
44:45
45:30
a bit of uniqueness in (SSP) drone sounds – (potentially with E drone sounding different)
a bit of uniqueness in (SSP) drone sounds – (potentially with E drone sounding different)
46:45
A major
46:55
B minor
47:10
C sharp, or F sharp minor
(then going into A)
C sharp, or F sharp minor
(then going into A)
48:10
you could play an A over F sharp minor
((what about an E drone too? – to ask Connor))
49:15
key of D notes, Connor plays (on an ‘A’ GHB practice chanter, which is really in B flat mixolydian, or so called ‘Piper’s A’)
key of D notes, Connor plays (on an ‘A’ GHB practice chanter, which is really in B flat mixolydian, or so called ‘Piper’s A’)
At a push you’ve got
The key of G – and he plays notes on his practice chanter in this key
The key of G – and he plays notes on his practice chanter in this key
toward >
in this blog entry -
Cheers, Scott
Scott MacLeod
- 415 480 4577
- World University and School
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Wed, Aug 12, 10:49 PM (3 days ago)
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Hi Taylor,
Your video drones sound pretty good at this point.
Just tuned all 3 chanters here:
B flat chanter to bass drone B flat (all the way in), and Combo baritone E drone pushed in to F, and tenor potentially to B flat
D chanter to D Combo bass drone, A baritone drone, and my wee D high tenor drone was flickering between D and E (so need to figure this out)
A chanter to A bass drone, Combo baritone drone to E, and tenor to A
Then I hunted for tunes in these keys (from upcoming "Honey in the Bag" album)
I liked the B flat chanter playing the "Cameronian Rant" (strathspey in B) with the F baritone drone
I liked the D chanter playing "The Land of My Youth" (slow air in D) with the A tenor drone (and the D drone high tenor is still funky, but will sound good)
But I'm on the fence with the A chanter playing tunes in A with the E baritone drone ... and then I listen to / play all the versions of Cabar Feidh (a radical wee tune covering the waterfront, jumping from high to low, and quite unusual melodically - with some parallels to Cameronian Rant interestingly), and appreciate how out of the box it is, so I may come to enjoy the A E A drones with the A chanter.
Hoping to write some of these drone tones into sheet music in MuseScore to see visually the potential for what tunes might work with what drone combinations :)
See you tomorrow.
Musical cheers,
Scott
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Thu, Aug 13, 8:23 AM (2 days ago)
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I actually reached out to John Walsh directly and asked about this. Customer support insists that I need their Bb drone set and that conversion isn’t possible with my current A/D configuration, but I’m mildly skeptical.
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Thu, Aug 13, 11:50 AM (2 days ago)
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Cool! (My B flat drone was my A bass drone all the way into the lower stock - so it couldn't get any sharper, but it seemed to work). Customer support at Walsh Bagpipes was his wife a few years ago - perhaps they're growing, but my impression is that John Walsh himself is THE knowledgeable one, and he also seems retiring / possibly a bit inaccessible!
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Thu, Aug 13, 11:52 AM (2 days ago)
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Right, it was Jean who answered my question. Is she a piper herself?
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Thu, Aug 13, 12:01 PM (2 days ago)
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I don't think so. She's really nice. :) (It seems like one could experiment first with a B flat chanter and then later add the drones if necessary ... but it can also be great to get one whole set of pipes that work together. In one ways could one explore B flat drones with either the A or D chanters I wonder. It could be worth asking Jean about all of this and more).
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Here's a tight harmony I put together for Scots Wa Hae. Pretty simple but I really think it works. The second part is just two notes higher and follows the same melody.
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Thu, Aug 13, 7:48 PM (2 days ago)
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Per our lesson, here’s a duet and a trio in the Cummings book I just got, in case you’re interested.
Kossoy Sisters:
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Cool, and thanks! Good lesson. I like "Wayfaring Stranger" as a tune - as an old favorite too (per Ian Watson, a teacher on Skype of mine in Glasgow too). And thanks for the Kossoy Sisters video ...
Here's a Tutorial for MuseScore (which I've only seen the beginning of)-
In writing seconds and harmony for Scottish small pipes, one aspect worth focusing on is how a tune resolves - with the now chords of the harmony. Let's explore
I included a number of the tunes from the CoP Blue Tutor, both from the end of the book, tunes I like, and which you may have said you don't have.
Musical cheers, Scott
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Fri, Aug 14, 11:32 AM (1 day ago)
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A tune in 3 part SSP harmony, and one with 2 part harmony re Tim Cummings :)
I enjoyed the Kossoy Sisters' Youtube you shared ... yes, creating close harmonies like this with the 3 chanters, and new compositions would be great! - S
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Fri, Aug 14, 1:34 PM (1 day ago)
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Taylor,
If Stuart Liddell plays GHB bagpipes virtuosically (and let's explore what this means with time), Jack Lee is 'right up there' in remarkable mind-expanding piping to my ear. (He may have been Pipe Sargent, but possibly never Pipe Major of Simon Fraser University Pipe Band - but his brother Terry Lee was PM there for decades . ... all these great B flat pipers!
And both of these have a lot of West Coast of Turtle IsLand (north American continent) in them culturally - which I find interesting to observe, fascinating even, and they also bring a thinking approach to piping, which is maybe west coast cultural too, if this partly means reasoning, and problem solving and by seeing things differently too, to do so (which I haven't seen that much of in Scotland interestingly - and which is perhaps cultural, or is sociocultural, too). And all are very Scottish too culturally, and identity-wise, but Jack & Terry Lee is also very west coast Canadian. (Wanna get back to my west coast actual-virtual field site -~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~ when this corona meme pandemic is all over)
There's a 'Jack Lee piper Desperate Battle tuxedo T-shirt Youtube video' out there on Web, where as he's piping I see an almost transformation into a bird kind of occurs, and in my listening, but I can't find it (it may however be in my blog some years ago - https://scott-macleod.
Musical cheers,
Scott
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Aug 14, 2020, 3:01 PM (1 day ago)
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Taylor,
Let's begin to explore Piobaireachd with CoP Yellow Tutor Vol 4, in a few weeks - as you had expressed before.
Bruce Hitchings' Highland Reeds is information sharing too
And here are a page of Piobaireachd which he just shared played by Colin MacLellan in situ it seems, or with video at least -
Cool ... (with echoes of Michael Grey's St. Kilda island archipelago playing The Prince's Salute)
The Yellow Tutor's Piobaireachds are different, however, and are
MacKintosh's Banner
Alasdair Dearg
Glengarry's Lament
The Company's Lament
Musical cheers,
Scott
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More about Piobaireachd -
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Briscoe, Brown, MacLeod, Chadbourne, Kirkbride -
Family history genealogy
Scott MacLeod
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Wed, Aug 12, 2:20 PM (3 days ago)
to Alden, Ann, catherinemuller57, Derrick, Edith, Jennifer, Bruce, Sandy, MacLeod, Karen, Janie, Scott, Pete, Jennifer, Susan, erica.blanton, Gerrard, Scott
Alden, Brad (MacLeod), Jen (MacLeod), Mark, Family All,
Am attaching a NYTs' article about your grandfather, Alden Hugh Brown, mining engineer, with quotes, who just had returned from Colombia, South America -
"Germany's Agents Busy in Colombia: Propaganda Still Thrives Among Latin Americans -American Traveler Recommends an Effort to Counteract Falsehoods", 17 Feb 1918 NYTs.
And am also attaching this Washington Post article about your great, visionary & smart brother, Alden:
John A. Briscoe, aide to Pa. congressman and nonprofit director, dies at 76
By — Martin Weil
January 17, 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/john-a-briscoe-aide-to-pa-congressman-and-nonprofit-director-dies-at-76/2014/01/17/bdd64990-7e10-11e3-93c1-0e888170b723_story.html
All, here's Brown/Briscoe family Scottish connection (evidence): I was excited to hear at the end of the 2nd interview here with my Great and smart Aunt Martha at about 12 minutes - https://www.salisburyassociation.org/archives/oral-history/briscoe-martha - that the Browns came from Scotland in the '40s (the 1840s, and not 1640s or 1740s per interview:), and worked as a canal digger and wainwrights (carpenters). I think it's Alexander "Sandy" Chadbourne Brown MacLeod's grandfather named James A. Brown, where Sandy Brown (ACB) is Janie's Pa, and Sandy MacLeod's, Annie Brown;s and Cathy Brown Mueller's, and my grandfather (and Great Aunt Martha's eldest sibling and only brother, and Alden's Uncle) and where ACB went to Exeter and then MIT to study chemical engineering and had around 9 patents to his name, ACB had found intellectual opportunities in America! (Please add to this narrative, or share more accurate information - you who can :) !) More in Great Aunt Martha's interview recordings!
Appreciating Great Aunt Martha's thoughtful guidance to youngsters around the 8 minute mark in 2nd interview too!
Brad (MacLeod), as a computer scientist, am curious why I get a bounceback from my scott@scottmacleod.com email address to this GROUP thread only, but not when I individually email from sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org to scott@scottmacleod.com . Could it have something to do with the domain name itself - scottmacleod.com ? Or could this be on the Thunderbird email client side of things? The error message below for group email, but not for individual emails. My hypothesis is that this is Thunderbird email client-side issue re this thread's group email aspecd - which is testable even (eg with a new email client:)
Jen (in ND), I'm sharing your James Edward MacLeod (kilt maker and tailor on Prince Edward Island) paper here too, who also came from Scotland about the time of James A Brown, I think - and from whom many of us get our last name! Appreciating too the emphasis on work in Great Aunt Martha's interview throughout ... and with implications for intellectual work for later generations! :)
Warm regards,
Scott
Blog entry to come today from all of this, and probably in this 'GKM MD' label, and also with the 'genes' label - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/Gordon%20K.%20MacLeod%20MD
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Wed, Aug 12, 8:58 PM (3 days ago)
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Alden, when were you parents married? Date, place +?
And can you see these, by any chance -
Jack Briscoe
Martha Briscoe
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Thu, Aug 13, 8:19 AM (2 days ago)
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They were married on June 23. I think it was 1934, but I’m not sure. At least within a year or two of that.
I’m hesitant to get a “free trial” because I often then get billed if I don’t shut off the free trial.
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Thu, Aug 13, 8:30 AM (2 days ago)
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The year (and place - Cambridge, MA) of their marriage was actually in Ancestry on your Pa's story or fact page, so thank you for the day, which I'll add.
I share your concern, and my mother, similarly, does not have a membership, although she got her DNA analysis with Ancestry (which I gave her as an Xmas present) - and which similar information of mine, I was able to add to WikiTree ... which is cool. My cousin Mark MacLeod is becoming knowledgeable and skillful at interpreting family DNA genealogically (in this very very early stage).
Making some headway in family history and here's Aunt Martha's story page - https://www.ancestry.com/
May have to create this too !
Scotty
Living in the DC area from 1972-'74
My family moved to Bethesda, MD, in then Washington DC area, when my father, GKM MD, took a position in the US federal government, in the department of Health, Education and Welfare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Oct 1, 1973-Mar 31, 1974
Cuttyhunk island, Massachusetts, USA
My parents were able to buy Piney's House on Cuttyhunk island in 1987, the house my family had rented since around 1969 or so, & which was so small my brother and I had to sleep outside in a tent (2 tents) every summer for years, an outside address :)
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Aug 13, 2020, 12:02 PM (2 days ago)
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Interesting that wedding is listed as being in Cambridge, MA. They had a reception somewhere else, like near Gloucester, and I had thought that’s where the wedding was.
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Thu, Aug 13, 12:08 PM (2 days ago)
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Alden,
Thanks - And, yes, 1934 was the year (according to Ancestry) .... I think Ancestry 'pulled' the Cambridge wedding info from elsewhere automatically, but need to check. I need to begin to look further at sources there too. And are you now in Ancestry as a start? ... And if so, please add Gloucester to Ancestry ... Genealogy is an interesting conversation, and especially about my Great Uncle and Aunt Jack and Martha Briscoe! :)
Warm regards, Scott
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Thu, Aug 13, 2:33 PM (2 days ago)
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Alden,
I got into Ancestry partly with Mark MacLeod's encouragement, am paying $20 / month (which I can be hesitant about in many other Web platforma), and seeing it as worth it, even if I don't head there everyday like Mark may. Something about genealogical history, knowledge and origin stories (as an Anthropologist too!) even,
Warmly Scott
Your great Ma in emergent conversant genealogical - genie-logical? - form, as one approach -
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I read the post by Alden Brown, but couldn't get the one by your mom to open -- interesting.
So how is Alden, the extant Alden related to me? I think he was my dad's cousin, but that is all I know, other than that he had fond memories of farm life, and good stories to tell about it... so would that be a connection with the Briscoes?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott MacLeod" [sgkmacleod@
Date: 08/12/2020 02:20 PM
To: "Alden Briscoe" <abriscoe@brakeleybriscoe.com>
Subject: Re: Family history thread continued (from 7/12/2019 - 2/4/2020)
From: "Scott MacLeod" [sgkmacleod@
Date: 08/12/2020 02:20 PM
To: "Alden Briscoe" <abriscoe@brakeleybriscoe.com>
Subject: Re: Family history thread continued (from 7/12/2019 - 2/4/2020)
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I read the post by Alden Brown, but couldn't get the one by your mom to open -- interesting.
So how is Alden, the extant Alden related to me? I think he was my dad's cousin, but that is all I know, other than that he had fond memories of farm life, and good stories to tell about it... so would that be a connection with the Briscoes?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott MacLeod" [sgkmacleod@
Date: 08/12/2020 02:20 PM
To: "Alden Briscoe" <abriscoe@brakeleybriscoe.com>
Subject: Re: Family history thread continued (from 7/12/2019 - 2/4/2020)
From: "Scott MacLeod" [sgkmacleod@
Date: 08/12/2020 02:20 PM
To: "Alden Briscoe" <abriscoe@brakeleybriscoe.com>
Subject: Re: Family history thread continued (from 7/12/2019 - 2/4/2020)
Alden, Brad (MacLeod), Jen (MacLeod), Mark, Family All,
Am attaching a NYTs' article about your grandfather, Alden Hugh Brown, mining engineer, with quotes, who just had returned from Colombia, South America -
"Germany's Agents Busy in Colombia: Propaganda Still Thrives Among Latin Americans -American Traveler Recommends an Effort to Counteract Falsehoods", 17 Feb 1918 NYTs.
And am also attaching this Washington Post article about your great, visionary & smart brother, Alden:
John A. Briscoe, aide to Pa. congressman and nonprofit director, dies at 76
By — Martin Weil
January 17, 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.
By — Martin Weil
January 17, 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.
All, here's Brown/Briscoe family Scottish connection (evidence): I was excited to hear at the end of the 2nd interview here with my Great and smart Aunt Martha at about 12 minutes - https://www.
Appreciating Great Aunt Martha's thoughtful guidance to youngsters around the 8 minute mark in 2nd interview too!
Brad (MacLeod), as a computer scientist, am curious why I get a bounceback from my scott@scottmacleod.com email address to this GROUP thread only, but not when I individually email from sgkmacleod@
Jen (in ND), I'm sharing your James Edward MacLeod (kilt maker and tailor on Prince Edward Island) paper here too, who also came from Scotland about the time of James A Brown, I think - and from whom many of us get our last name! Appreciating too the emphasis on work in Great Aunt Martha's interview throughout ... and with implications for intellectual work for later generations! :)
Warm regards,
Scott
Blog entry to come today from all of this, and probably in this 'GKM MD' label, and also with the 'genes' label - https://scott-macleod.
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Aug 14, 2020, 8:40 AM (1 day ago)
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Ann,
Nice to hear from you. So you read the 1917 NYT's article where Alden Brown was quoted? Which article by my Mom do you mean?
I'm really glad to have received 4 or 5 emails from Alden Briscoe yesterday and the day before. He's your Dad's (TCB) 1st cousin - and there were 5 first cousins of that generation (Alden and John Briscoe, your Dad, Ted, TCB, and my mother, Janie, JKBM, and Denny "Edward" Titus MD - really great first cousins as I see this - good people!:) Alden sounded engaged with family history in his emails to me, and pretty good, - and glad to be in writing conversation with Alden, who would be your first cousin once removed. Yes, Alden (Briscoe) grew up on Silent Meadow Farm in Lakeville CT, and hence his stories, (where his Mom, like your Mom, ran the farm/ranch, per this interview it seems - https://www.
John and Alden Briscoe
Ted and Janie Brown
Denny Titus
... all first cousins of the same generation (and in the Chadbourne line) ...
so that makes Alden a first cousin once removed to you and me. (It would be fun and great to interview you too, Annie, re Great Aunt Martha's interviews - and even for you to get into your 'shoebox' of family documents in the process :) MIght you be at all open or interested in this ... and even over video conferencing?) Your knowledge of your folks, family history, Wisdom Creek Ranch and similar - all of which I love too - would be wonderful to come into conversation about!)
You've probably seen this
My wonderful Uncle Ted Brown, 1933-2017
https://youtu.be/fEdPbOFtm_4
https://youtu.be/fEdPbOFtm_4
(accessible from here - http://scottmacleod.com/
If I recall correctly, Silent Meadow Farm (in NW Lakeville, Connecticut) was a kind of inspiration, or model, for your Pa, Ted Brown, to create Wisdom Creek Ranch (in NE Union, Oregon). Would you say this is partly correct? :)
Avocados are ripe and I got a bunch of them the other day - it's a guacamole day :)
Scotty
PS
It was so nice, Annie, to all get together at the ranch with Alden and family in July of 2018 (I think most recently - of which we may all have pictures too) - thank you!
Ann Brown:
I read the post by Alden Brown, but couldn't get the one by your mom to open -- interesting.
So how is Alden, the extant Alden related to me? I think he was my dad's cousin, but that is all I know, other than that he had fond memories of farm life, and good stories to tell about it... so would that be a connection with the Briscoes?
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Aug 14, 2020, 9:50 AM (1 day ago)
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Alden, Ann, Mark, Family Historians, All,
It's so great to hear back from you, Alden and Ann, - and am wondering about the possibility of even exploring asking you some questions about family history in video conferencing, and inspired by Great Aunt Martha's video - https://www.
Alden and All, making some headway in family history and here's Aunt Martha's story page - https://www.ancestry.com/
I nominate my Great Aunt Martha (Alden's mother) to be a first avatar bot genealogy conversant as this emerges, and building out from this great interview - https://www.
Your great Ma in emergent conversant genealogical - genie-logical? - form, as one approach -
Max Ehrmann "Desiderata" - "Desired Things" Poem animation
https://youtu.be/lH72Quc9NmI
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Max Ehrmann "Desiderata" - "Desired Things" Poem animation
https://youtu.be/lH72Quc9NmI
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May have to create this too! :)
Fond regards,
Scotty
(See, too: http://scottmacleod.com/
Thursday, August 13, 2020
Alden,
Making some headway in family history and here's Aunt Martha's story page - https://www.ancestry.com/
May have to create this too !
Scotty
Alden,
I got into Ancestry partly with Mark MacLeod's encouragement, am paying $20 / month (which I can be hesitant about in many other Web platforma), and seeing it as worth it, even if I don't head there everyday like Mark may. Something about genealogical history, knowledge and origin stories (as an Anthropologist too!) even,
Warmly Scott
Your great Ma in emergent conversant genealogical - genie-logical? - form, as one approach -
Max Ehrmann "Desiderata" - "Desired Things" Poem animation
https://youtu.be/lH72Quc9NmI
?
May have to create this too !
Scotty
Alden,
I got into Ancestry partly with Mark MacLeod's encouragement, am paying $20 / month (which I can be hesitant about in many other Web platforma), and seeing it as worth it, even if I don't head there everyday like Mark may. Something about genealogical history, knowledge and origin stories (as an Anthropologist too!) even,
Warmly Scott
Your great Ma in emergent conversant genealogical - genie-logical? - form, as one approach -
Max Ehrmann "Desiderata" - "Desired Things" Poem animation
https://youtu.be/lH72Quc9NmI
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Friday, August 14, 2020
Ann,
Nice to hear from you. So you read the 1917 NYT's article where Alden Brown was quoted? Which article by my Mom do you mean?
I'm really glad to have received 4 or 5 emails from Alden Briscoe yesterday and the day before. He's your Dad's (TCB) 1st cousin - and there were 5 first cousins of that generation (Alden and John Briscoe, your Dad, Ted, TCB, and my mother, Janie, JKBM, and Denny "Edward" Titus MD - really great first cousins as I see this - good people!:) Alden sounded engaged with family history in his emails to me, and pretty good, - and glad to be in writing conversation with Alden, who would be your first cousin once removed. Yes, Alden (Briscoe) grew up on Silent Meadow Farm in Lakeville CT, and hence his stories, (where his Mom, like your Mom, ran the farm/ranch, per this interview it seems - https://www.
John and Alden Briscoe
Ted and Janie Brown
Denny Titus
... all first cousins of the same generation (and in the Chadbourne line) ...
so that makes Alden a first cousin once removed to you and me. (It would be fun and great to interview you too, Annie, re Great Aunt Martha's interviews - and even for you to get into your 'shoebox' of family documents in the process :) MIght you be at all open or interested in this ... and even over video conferencing?) Your knowledge of your folks, family history, Wisdom Creek Ranch and similar - all of which I love too - would be wonderful to come into conversation about!)
You've probably seen this
(accessible from here - http://scottmacleod.com/
If I recall correctly, Silent Meadow Farm (in NW Lakeville, Connecticut) was a kind of inspiration, or model, for your Pa, Ted Brown, to create Wisdom Creek Ranch (in NE Union, Oregon). Would you say this is partly correct? :)
Avocados are ripe and I got a bunch of them the other day - it's a guacamole day :)
Scotty
PS
It was so nice, Annie, to all get together at the ranch with Alden and family in July of 2018 (I think most recently - of which we may all have pictures too) - thank you!
Ann Brown:
I read the post by Alden Brown, but couldn't get the one by your mom to open -- interesting.
So how is Alden, the extant Alden related to me? I think he was my dad's cousin, but that is all I know, other than that he had fond memories of farm life, and good stories to tell about it... so would that be a connection with the Briscoes?
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Aug 14, 2020, 11:45 AM (1 day ago)
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Ann, Janie, Alden, Sandy, Mark, Cathy, Browns, Family Historians all,
Here's a Youtube video of my amazing uncle Theodore Chadbourne Brown, at Wisdom Creek Ranch, about 3 years ago:
My wonderful Uncle Ted Brown, 1933-2017
https://youtu.be/fEdPbOFtm_4Alden, Janie (1st cousins), and Sandy (ABM), my brother, are about the 7:20 minute mark, and Annie Brown Brown (Ann Chadbourne Brown) talks a bit after this, and also in the wonderful video presentation (sorry for the quality of this since I was sitting off to the side in the living room (of the house that Ted built), and videoing into the window too at Wisdom Creek Ranch in NE Oregon, near the tiny community of Medical Springs).
Am going to have to start writing Ann Chadourne Brown's Life Story here -
https://www.ancestry.com/
Mark, what are great approaches to working with family videos - in Video and on this platform, in your experience?
Warm regards,
Scotty
https://youtu.be/fEdPbOFtm_4Alden, Janie (1st cousins), and Sandy (ABM), my brother, are about the 7:20 minute mark, and Annie Brown Brown (Ann Chadbourne Brown) talks a bit after this, and also in the wonderful video presentation (sorry for the quality of this since I was sitting off to the side in the living room (of the house that Ted built), and videoing into the window too at Wisdom Creek Ranch in NE Oregon, near the tiny community of Medical Springs).
Am going to have to start writing Ann Chadourne Brown's Life Story here -
https://www.ancestry.com/
Mark, what are great approaches to working with family videos - in Video and on this platform, in your experience?
Warm regards,
Scotty
PS
Am personally leaning toward both WikiTree and Ancestry platforms, particularly because I think long-term access for future family historians will be much easier and better in WikiTree, and it's very well designed & friendly - but the 2 platforms make possible also 2 quite different approaches to writing genealogy, due to the IT and coding.
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Aug 14, 2020, 12:04 PM (1 day ago)
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Alden, Mark, All,
since the MIT Tech Review just Tweeted -
MIT Technology Review
@techreview
TikTok’s future in the US is a reminder that making, or even consuming, things on the internet means depending on platforms that could change drastically in an instant.
https://twitter.com/
I should probably get printing my blog's GKM MD and genes' labels re family history (where I've recorded a fair amount already) in these regards too -
@techreview
TikTok’s future in the US is a reminder that making, or even consuming, things on the internet means depending on platforms that could change drastically in an instant.
https://twitter.com/
I should probably get printing my blog's GKM MD and genes' labels re family history (where I've recorded a fair amount already) in these regards too -
- https://scott-macleod.
- https://scott-macleod.
- https://scott-macleod.
Fondly, Scotty
That written, such videos as IT are wonderful family history, in so so many ways:
My wonderful Uncle Ted Brown, 1933-2017That written, such videos as IT are wonderful family history, in so so many ways:
https://youtu.be/fEdPbOFtm_4
is accessible here
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