Thanks so much for meeting and talking at Red Door Coffee on Minna Street just now - and as Legal Director at the Wikimedia Foundation! I'm particularly grateful per your clarification to have learned that CC is basically like copyright, but where the author has allowed for sharing under this new CC licensing (and that there really isn't a CC < > copyright divide, for example, as I had had in mind). Thanks too for your clarification that there are companies using CC Wikipedia content and making applications from this for sale.
CC World University and School will keep in mind the kinds of CC licensing (exploring copyleft further possibly as well) as we develop in CC Wikidata, and potentially explore further creating
1) a 501 (c) (3) side (which status WUaS has) building in CC Wikidata for free online CC best STEM OCW degrees (accrediting eg on CC MIT OCW in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC), and
2) a WUaS Business/commercial side (even a publicly-traded company) - http://
worlduniversityandschool. blogspot.com/2015/11/wuas- planned-revenue-streams-with- 3-new.html - having conceived of this forking a few weeks ago - http://scott-macleod. blogspot.com/2015/11/ashoka- saracaasoca-fork-all- languages.html.
I assume WUaS will have to keep these two, now forked, email lists of people completely separate database-wise. Would you agree? And do you think these names are distinct enough as two entiities 1) CC World University and School and 2) WUaS Business?
Would you like to teach CC re Wiki esp in one of the WUaS Law Schools at some point in the future - e.g. - in the China Law School at WUaS -
wikia.com/wiki/China_Law_ School_at_WUaS - not yet in Mandarin, Wu, or Cantonese, for example? (And WUaS's Universal Translator isn't also yet usable, to speak of - http://worlduniversity.wikia. com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_ Translator).
Thank you so much and looking forward to staying in touch.
Hi Scott,It was lovely chatting with you as well. Thanks for taking the time.
As for WUaS and WUaS Business keeping their email and databases separate, it would depend on what their respective privacy policies allow in terms of sharing email addresses and depend on the copyright status and licensing restrictions on for the databases. I think the names are distinctive enough -- they clearly show they are affiliated, but with different goals.
Best of luck,-Michelle
Thanks so much, Michelle - and for this further information!
It's so helpful to talk with you!
Hi Michelle and Bill,
I'm writing to introduce you to one another. In fact, you may know (of) each other already, since Michelle went to Cal as an undergraduate and to UC Hastings' Law School, and since Bill is a Professor of Law at UC Berkeley's Boalt Law School. Michelle is the Legal Director at the Wikimedia Foundation's headquarters in SF and with whom I met yesterday for 45 minutes to talk about World University and School and Wikimedia, and for which I'm very appreciative. Here is some of what I learned from our talk: http://scott-macleod.
blogspot.com/2015/12/hybrid- biology-wuas-meeting-with.html .
Bill invited startup CC World University and School (WUaS) to attend his "New Business Counseling Practicum Seminar" as a "real entrepreneurial client" beginning around February 2016, which may be this course -https://www.law.berkeley.edu/
php-programs/courses/ coursePage.php?cID=17093& termCode=B&termYear=2016 ( of Bill's 4 Spring 2016 courses listed here - https://www.law.berkeley.edu/ php-programs/courses/ courseSearchResults.php? termCode=B&termYear=2016&key=& Search.x=28&Search.y=8&Search= Search&instructorSearch=1109& categoryfield=& courseTitleSearch=& courseNumSearch=& descriptionfield=&unitfield=& start_time_open=&start_time_ open_am=AM&start_time_close=& start_time_close_am=AM&end_ time_open=&end_time_open_am= AM&end_time_close=&end_time_ close_am=AM) - I'm glad to say.
What I learned yesterday in talking with you, Michelle, is that WUaS could develop around a Creative Commons' licensed 501 (c) (3) core of 4 planned revenue streams for online CC degrees (accrediting on CC MIT OCW in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC, for example) a commercial side, even a possible publicly traded company, which side is presently planning for 8 other revenue streams, and in all 200+ countries and some 7,938 languages. This would involve a kind of forking of WUaS, which WUaS did conceptually a few weeks' ago - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.
com/2015/11/ashoka- saracaasoca-fork-all- languages.html. See also my blog entry above about how this could work with CC licensing, shared email databases on both sides, as well as the name of WUaS as two related yet distinct entities with different goals, and see too this blog entry on planned revenue streams here - http:// worlduniversityandschool. blogspot.com/2015/11/wuas- planned-revenue-streams-with- 3-new.html.
I and WUaS were very glad to learn of this, Michelle, and wonder Bill how further to explore planning for and developing some of this beginning in the New Year in your course. Thank you.
Bill, what would be the steps to further this forking of WUaS business-wise, and even explore eventually filing (as WUaS Business) to become a publicly traded company on a US stock exchange, after we reach the required revenue streams, and similar?
By way of further introduction, I think you both might be great resources and connections for each other, (if you aren't already:).
Thank you both so much!
Best regards, Scott
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November 24, 2015
Hi, Michelle (and Lydia),
Greetings. I'm planning to give a Lightning Talk - https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Lightning_Talks - in person tomorrow around at the Wikimedia Foundation at 149 New Montgomery about CC WUaS's recent donation to CC Wikidata for its 3rd birthday on October 29th.
Here are the slides for my Lightning Talk - https://docs.google.com/
presentation/d/ 1x5UDTo0UwaCrcBlw6FaSmTCbIIG0d 7iJYcLYXIVqldg/edit?usp= sharing.
Might you be around to chat for 5 minutes before or after this? I hope to arrive around.
Three things have come to mind recently in response to WUaS developments today and yesterday -
1 getting a possible second and third opinion on Wikimedia Foundation Legal Director Michelle Paulson's suggestion that a 2nd WUaS commercial side would/could complement WUaS as a 501 c 3 . Retaining WUaS's 501c3 nonprofit status seems like a priority for a variety of reasons. And such a hybrid is new ground legally possibly.
2 JK and I spent 70 minutes talking today, and he suggested two foundations and is also willing to help read some grants to these that WUaS writes and make suggestions - and he called me - and our talking might also be a form of due diligence, but his company can't donate anything this year. I was grateful for our hour long + conversation nevertheless. He's perspicacious, insightful, experienced, and a listener (as am I), and a lawyer and MD.
While all of this is innovative and interesting, both getting financial results for WUaS as well as growing a fundraising / financial department is something I continue to seek to initiate for WUaS.
Lastly, (3) I'm hoping to hear back from Berkeley Prof Bill Kell soonish about his course (re my emails to him today) and WUaS and he will probably have good legal sense and ideas about all of this, when we do.
Very glad however to have given a Lightning Talk at the Wikimedia Foundation in November, and to have met with Michelle, whom I like, yesterday, and to have heard so clearly that, from her perspective, forking WUaS makes sense (and re Wikidata especially - re her clarification of how CC licensing works!), and that conceivably WUaS could move toward becoming a publicly traded company eventually on the one hand, while remaining a 501c 3 on the other. I'm a little skeptical, but CC Wikidata/Wikipedia, CC MIT OCW, CC Yale OYC, and the University of California network, and entrepreneurial California are great opportunities in which to explore this, at least conceptually, and good UC lawyers are joining this conversation. And the educational cultural "opening" for funding especially may be occurring too :)
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