Tuesday, December 8, 2015

Hybrid (biology): WUaS meeting with Wikimedia Foundation's Legal Director, CC is basically like copyright, but where the author has allowed for sharing, There are companies using CC Wikipedia content and making applications from this for sale, Exploring copyleft further, WUaS will potentially explore further creating 1) a 501 (c) (3) side (which status WUaS has), 2) a WUaS Business/commercial side (even a publicly-traded company), Forked Email Lists and Names?, Lightning Talk November 23, 2015, Three further things in response to recent WUaS developments

Dear Michelle, 

Thanks so much for meeting and talking at Red Door Coffee on Minna Street just now - and as Legal Director at the Wikimedia Foundation! I'm particularly grateful per your clarification to have learned that CC is basically like copyright, but where the author has allowed for sharing under this new CC licensing (and that there really isn't a CC < > copyright divide, for example, as I had had in mind). Thanks too for your clarification that there are companies using CC Wikipedia content and making applications from this for sale. 

CC World University and School will keep in mind the kinds of CC licensing (exploring copyleft further possibly as well) as we develop in CC Wikidata, and potentially explore further creating 

1) a 501 (c) (3) side (which status WUaS has) building in CC Wikidata for free online CC best STEM OCW degrees (accrediting eg on CC MIT OCW in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC), and 

2) a WUaS Business/commercial side (even a publicly-traded company) - http://worlduniversityandschool.blogspot.com/2015/11/wuas-planned-revenue-streams-with-3-new.html - having conceived of this forking a few weeks ago - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2015/11/ashoka-saracaasoca-fork-all-languages.html.

I assume WUaS will have to keep these two, now forked, email lists of people completely separate database-wise. Would you agree? And do you think these names are distinct enough as two entiities 1) CC World University and School and 2) WUaS Business?

Would you like to teach CC re Wiki esp in one of the WUaS Law Schools at some point in the future - e.g. - in the China Law School at WUaS - 
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/China_Law_School_at_WUaS - not yet in Mandarin, Wu, or Cantonese, for example? (And WUaS's Universal Translator isn't also yet usable, to speak of - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator). 

Thank you so much and looking forward to staying in touch. 

Best regards, 


Hi Scott,
It was lovely chatting with you as well. Thanks for taking the time.
As for WUaS and WUaS Business keeping their email and databases separate, it would depend on what their respective privacy policies allow in terms of sharing email addresses and depend on the copyright status and licensing restrictions on for the databases. I think the names are distinctive enough -- they clearly show they are affiliated, but with different goals.

I'm not sure about teaching at this point. I actually didn't even have time to get breakfast or lunch today, so adding more projects on my plate is not the best idea right now. But reach out to me again in the future because my workload may have changed by then!
Best of luck,

Thanks so much, Michelle - and for this further information!

It's so helpful to talk with you!

Best regards,


Hi Michelle and Bill,

I'm writing to introduce you to one another. In fact, you may know (of) each other already, since Michelle went to Cal as an undergraduate and to UC Hastings' Law School, and since Bill is a Professor of Law at UC Berkeley's Boalt Law School. Michelle is the Legal Director at the Wikimedia Foundation's headquarters in SF and with whom I met yesterday for 45 minutes to talk about World University and School and Wikimedia, and for which I'm very appreciative. Here is some of what I learned from our talk: http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2015/12/hybrid-biology-wuas-meeting-with.html

What I learned yesterday in talking with you, Michelle, is that WUaS could develop around a Creative Commons' licensed 501 (c) (3) core of 4 planned revenue streams for online CC degrees (accrediting on CC MIT OCW in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC, for example) a commercial side, even a possible publicly traded company, which side is presently planning for 8 other revenue streams, and in all 200+ countries and some 7,938 languages. This would involve a kind of forking of WUaS, which WUaS did conceptually a few weeks' ago - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2015/11/ashoka-saracaasoca-fork-all-languages.html. See also my blog entry above about how this could work with CC licensing, shared email databases on both sides, as well as the name of WUaS as two related yet distinct entities with different goals, and see too this blog entry on planned revenue streams here - http://worlduniversityandschool.blogspot.com/2015/11/wuas-planned-revenue-streams-with-3-new.html

I and WUaS were very glad to learn of this, Michelle, and wonder Bill how further to explore planning for and developing some of this beginning in the New Year in your course. Thank you. 

Bill, what would be the steps to further this forking of WUaS business-wise, and even explore eventually filing (as WUaS Business) to become a publicly traded company on a US stock exchange, after we reach the required revenue streams, and similar? 

By way of further introduction, I think you both might be great resources and connections for each other, (if you aren't already:).

Thank you both so much!

Best regards, Scott

Hi Bill,

Nice to meet you! Happy to chat anytime.


Michelle Paulson
Legal Director
Wikimedia Foundation
149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
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November 24, 2015

Hi, Michelle (and Lydia), 

Greetings. I'm planning to give a Lightning Talk - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Talks - in person tomorrow around 11am PT at the Wikimedia Foundation at 149 New Montgomery about CC WUaS's recent donation to CC Wikidata for its 3rd birthday on October 29th. 

Might you be around to chat for 5 minutes before or after this? I hope to arrive around 10:30am.

Best regards, Scott

Dear L,

Three things have come to mind recently in response to WUaS developments today and yesterday -

1 getting a possible second and third opinion on Wikimedia Foundation Legal Director Michelle Paulson's suggestion that a 2nd WUaS commercial side would/could complement WUaS as a 501 c 3 . Retaining WUaS's 501c3 nonprofit status seems like a priority for a variety of reasons. And such a hybrid is new ground legally possibly.

2 JK and I spent 70 minutes talking today, and he suggested two foundations and is also willing to help read some grants to these that WUaS writes and make suggestions - and he called me - and our talking might also be a form of due diligence, but his company can't donate anything this year. I was grateful for our hour long + conversation nevertheless. He's perspicacious, insightful, experienced, and a listener (as am I), and a lawyer and MD.

While all of this is innovative and interesting, both getting financial results for WUaS as well as growing a fundraising / financial department is something I continue to seek to initiate for WUaS.

Lastly, (3) I'm hoping to hear back from Berkeley Prof Bill Kell soonish about his course (re my emails to him today) and WUaS and he will probably have good legal sense and ideas about all of this, when we do.

Very glad however to have given a Lightning Talk at the Wikimedia Foundation in November, and to have met with Michelle, whom I like, yesterday, and to have heard so clearly that, from her perspective, forking WUaS makes sense (and re Wikidata especially - re her clarification of how CC licensing works!), and that conceivably WUaS could move toward becoming a publicly traded company eventually on the one hand, while remaining a 501c 3 on the other. I'm a little skeptical, but CC Wikidata/Wikipedia, CC MIT OCW, CC Yale OYC, and the University of California network, and entrepreneurial California are great opportunities in which to explore this, at least conceptually, and good UC lawyers are joining this conversation. And the educational cultural "opening" for funding especially may be occurring too :)




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