Thursday, March 19, 2009

Blue Flax Meadow: Conversation Comparing Facebook and Second Life, Open Sim and S.L., Flax Seed Oil {Omega-3 Fatty Acids}

Here's an online chat conversation from today with a friend comparing Facebook and Second Life. (I was in FB chat, and he was using Adium multi-chat program).




Drax

scott. wanted to check if u can see this?

i am on a multi-messenger called Adium - http://www.adiumx.com


Scott

the chat, yes


Drax

has AIM, Facebook and Skype

combined


Scott

what's the url?


Drax

ahhh cool!


Scott

like irq?


Drax

http://www.adiumx.com


Scott

yes, cool


Drax

check it out, IMO the best out there so far

have not tried irq


Scott

thanks

irc is what it was called - haven't heard about it recently - and it may be only for xp

but 'fire' in http://download.com also looks interesting.


Drax

i really want SLim to be part of this

Linden needs to promote it more

SLim works great

but no one knows about it


Scott

http://download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0.html?query=irc&tag=srch&searchtype=downloads&filterName=


Drax

btw if you would like to comment on my status of the facebook versus wasting time on SL debate


Scott

so many new apps - do you know whether open sim improved over the past year?


Drax

there are a few fun comments

open sim is very interesting

but at this point too hard to navigate


Scott

Tao mentioned something about making a switch

not too long ago


Drax

i concentrate on filming

i need the infrastructure

yes, Tao has a system


Scott

as if it might have become a lot less buggy


Drax

of management

which is interesting

not to my knowledge


Scott

OK - it would be great if it would become seamlessly connectible to the SL grid - on a MacMini, for example - would expand virtual worlds dramatically.

when are you next coming to the Bay Area or Harbin, even?


Drax

Bay Area I am end of May

for producers institute at BAVC

May 20-June 1st


Scott

What would make Open Sim become totally easy? Who would say ok gradually at LL?


Drax

are you coming to NMC summer con

Monterey


Scott

Great


Drax

i would say


Scott

No plans yet for Monterey - what's the NMC url?


Drax

integrate the text SL client SLim into multi messengers

http://www.nmc.org

i will speak on Machinima June 12th

Open Sim too hard to navigate

regular SL too hard for general public as it is


Scott

send me an email with urls


Drax

have u seen the facial movement recognition client????

http://sl.vr-wear.com/

amazing start


Scott

so in the poker of virtual worlds, 'hold' on SL and raise the ante with Open Sim to open the 'pot'

I saw Boyo Soll at a Metanomics talk with an animated face - very cool


Drax

hahaha, yes poker

you and Charles Nesson!!!

that obsession with poker

SL definitely hold

it is very healthy for SL to grow like it does


Scott

He's great ... not so much me, and it's only one of his 'cards'


Drax

undisturbed by the hype and expectations


Scott

it's certainly seen hype


Drax

SL needs to grow and it does

and the value is there and people are using it

educators and government agencies

who cares what marketers do!

SL has never fit that easy definition


Scott

yes - how to attract rich creative energy beyond the 'visual'?


Drax

SL is a haven for creatives


Scott

folks like hackers who wrote tcp/ip and a whole bunch of other stuff in the 70s and 80s and 90s


Drax

Facebook is a haven for the scrapbook cut & paste crowd

well, Open Sim is going there

and gives people a lot to do


Scott

yes in so many ways ... but SL somehow isn't social in the way I'm looking for, and in the way FB offers.


Drax

but the great kicker is the enabling factor of REGULAR folks

SL is not social?

i do not agree!


Scott

make building free - OpenSim - and SL will grow with more creatives


Drax

i live in Al Andalus, a global community

we meet, we interact

we are like family


Scott

FB has 175 million users, I've heard; SL with 1.5 million and possibly 25,000-50,000 in-world


Drax

Facebook is nothing more than a picture album


Scott

or logins, I heard


Drax

yes, but the numbers do not matter

what matters is the value and the quality of interaction

in SL i just rebuilt LA in the 40ties


Scott

yes, but people can let it be, for a while and still keep in touch ... SL is amazing ... but


Drax

with a team from all over the globe

in real time

i understand


Scott

I'm so glad to keep in touch with very old friends through FB, - haven't found that in SL


Drax

the comparison to begin with is flawed

well, that is because people do not enter SL, because they have inhibitions

i rather send email than Faceook frankly

if i have asynchronous interaction anyway

why would i be on Facebook?


Scott

except that they're both social networking sites with different emphases but popular and offer opportunities for creativity -


Drax

i don't get that

all the time people are sending me invites to fluff and waste of time stuff


Scott

'hassle' and 'unfamiliar' inhibitions


Drax

i either want real time or not

real time = either real life or SL

asynchronous is email or blogs or forums

why Facebook?

because of the "angels"?

I agree - but FB is manageable, and visual

For many SL is too much, and perhaps it's not enough about 'the individual' - hard to say ...


Scott

I'd love to see the world modeled in SL - perhaps with avatars just like us would make it grow and offer more of the attractions of FB with the real time interactivity of SL, but that will probably come


Drax

i agree partially

SL avatars will look photo realistic in a few years

individuality in SL? it is HUGE!! where is it in FB?


Scott

probably - and the sooner, the more people SL will probably get


Drax

i don't see that in FB at all!

people shy away, they have little attention span

they want fast


Scott

yes, in some ways, but avatars are 'aliens' - part of their attraction, and not like 'the individual'


Drax

in SL i can express myself through my avatar, my land etc

avatars are not aliens, they become manifestations of what is inside us


Scott

true - FB is simple and therefore attractive for many


Drax

we should post this conversation!!

actually in June i am planning on a story about this subject

will interview you in depth!

i gotta run

violin practice


Scott

and FB can 'sit' and, more, I don't know who the avatars are, beyond a few - they aren't my friends


Yes, let's


Drax

enjoyed to talk!!


Scott

bye for now


Drax

hope we can do in person


Scott

likewise

soon ...


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Anthropologically, these are fascinating social worlds and networks to study and compare, especially ethnographically.

danah boyd (http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts) continues to write in interesting ways about social networking.



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Omega-3s ~ 1000 mg of flax seed oil, 3-4 times a day ~ are nice. They somehow brighten and harmonize my neurophysiology. (How?)















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