How could FilmTo3D Apps at 3 levels (Street View with time slider, cellular and molecular, begin to address questions of consciousness -
(which Jensen Huang's NVIDIA Keynote touches on, with Light Sheet Microscopy, as well as with a focus on the cellular and molecular in the Omniverse)
- and reconciling or, for example, bring together 1st person and 3rd person (scientific) accounts of awareness, sentience, feeling, ... and regarding the Physical and Digital, andActual-Virtual conversations in a realistic virtual earth too . . . ?
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Jim Spohrer
7:09 AM (15 hours ago)
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Hi Scott, Yes, it will be 2100 before the philosophical implications can be worked out - in the meantime, comedians can have a field day of fun, given all the permutations of "normal" life that are possble! Thanks, -Jim
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org>
8:48 AM (13 hours ago)
to Jim
Philosophy-wise ... and regarding understanding consciousness... begin NOW? ... on the way to the year 2100 ... Bring together 1st person and 3rd person (scientific) accounts of awareness, sentience, feeling, ... And regarding the Physical and Digital, and the Actual-Virtual conversation too?
Heard David Chalmers give a Stanford philosophy talk on the Actual and Virtual a few years ago ... But I haven't heard from him recently ... Is he learning brain science and computer science now from NYC?
Comedian, like the brilliant John Cleese, and regarding psychoanalytic thinking about even Angela and Victor?
Regards,
Scott
Some of our conversation here
3/31/22
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2022/03/denali.html
And here 4/1/22
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2022/03/shiprock-new-mexico.html
'consciousness' label in daily blog ...
http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/consciousness
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Jim Spohrer
9:08 AM (13 hours ago)
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Yes, NYU and Australia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers
Consciousness - https://www.ted.com/talks/david_chalmers_how_do_you_explain_consciousness?language=en
Smartphone part of mind - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksasPjrYFTg
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org>
9:23 AM (13 hours ago)
to Jim
Will check all 3 out (again, I think) ...
I don't think Chalmer's actual-virtual paper I heard at Stanford is available online, and it wasn't to my hearing all that helpful for developing an unfolding conversation regarding the actual and the virtual digitally and with film to 3d apps at 3 levels NOW, but it was great to hear this philosopher engage directly with the actual & virtual and philosophically and academically,
Scott
Searched on Chalmer's in daily blog:
Here's about Chalmer's 2017 talk with title of paper -
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/05/wandering-albatross-talk-on-virtual-and.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/06/mitchell-river-queensland-consciousness.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/10/whirlpool-galaxy-we-almost-gave-up-on.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/10/laurus-nobilis-coding-for-consciousness.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/11/lantana-camara-creating-realistic.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/11/blue-dacnis-lucid-dreaming-tenzin.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2018/11/chrysolophus-thanks-scott-for-interlude.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/03/caesalpinia-pulcherrima-knowledge.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/04/eternal-flame-falls-agency-as.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/gray-parrot-consciousness.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/red-trillium-cow-and-calf-what-is-cow.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/07/andersons-mountain-crown-agency-have.html
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2021/05/grey-parrot-psittacus-erithacus-what-is.html
... and some further 'riffs' and ideas, for beginning to code for Actual-Virtual consciousness now ... :)
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April 3, 2022
Jim,
Regarding new approaches to questions of consciousness scientifically, and with computing, further:
How could FilmTo3D Apps at 3 levels (Street View with time slider, cellular and molecular, begin to address questions of consciousness -
(which Jensen Huang's NVIDIA Keynote - "GTC 2022 Keynote with NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang" -
https://youtu.be/39ubNuxnrK8 - touches on, with Light Sheet Microscopy, as well as with a focus on the cellular and molecular in the Omniverse)
- reconciling or, for example, bringing together 1st person and 3rd person (eg scientific) accounts of awareness, sentience, feeling, ... and regarding the Physical and Digital, and Actual-Virtual conversations in a realistic virtual earth too . . . ?
So, in a realistic virtual earth for consciousness - much more than an Omniverse - in what ways could science and philosophy of mind bring together concurrent Film to 3d of the cellular and street view with time slider levels to address questions of awareness, sentience feeling ... in that there's something "it is like to be conscious" ... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness/ (where Chalmers might have become a Prof at NYU to work philosophically with Thomas Nagel, author of "What is it like to be a bat" (1973) an "it's coming" account of consciousness (which philosophers' circle also may be known "the new Mysterians"). An opportunity for #FilmTo3D Apps at many levels, and in a realistic virtual earth for history too incorporating and superceding Omniverse IT and Street View with time slider Maps Earth TensorFlowAI Translate with realistic Avatar Bot Electronic Medical Records IT too.
Thanks again, Scott
Searched on in my blog,
'Light Sheet Microscopy' :
And from a CalTech series of talks, where George Church was a first presenter in the talks I heard:
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Jim Spohrer
8:27 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hi Scott,
I don't know. However, until 2100 it is all science fiction - so check out https://screenrant.com/star-trek-hologram-sentience-awareness-alive-every/
Hope that helps.
In the meantime, I will scan for language translation technologies that can help with educational objects, like books, articles, YouTube videos, etc. - as I think these will be low-hanging fruit for the WUaS vision by 2026-2028 - I hope. No one can predict the future very well. However, that does not stop some of us from trying!
-Jim
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Jim,
Fascinating envisioning of sentience in the form of drama and science fiction - thanks for sharing. Found re the crux of the consciousness question:
However, the relation of consciousness to brain remained very much a mystery as expressed in T. H. Huxley's famous remark,
How it is that anything so remarkable as a state of consciousness comes about as a result of irritating nervous tissue, is just as unaccountable as the appearance of the Djin, when Aladdin rubbed his lamp (1866).
The early twentieth century saw the eclipse of consciousness from scientific psychology, especially in the United States with the rise of behaviorism (Watson 1924, Skinner 1953...
(Friend George Alexander MD was interested in behaviorism too regarding questions of understanding consciousness ... since there's no ghost in the box or machine, per Gilbert Ryle ... And is this what we have in mind for sentient AI Bots we might create with coding?)
Was amused by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy quote above and the 1866 date of the TH Huxley quote ...
More about mysterianism (which idea philosopher, Colin McGinn, coined, I think, loosely in the same sphere of thinking about consciousness as Chalmers - and since the problem is intractable, and potentially unsolvable, there may never be such AI Bots) ... and since the science may never understand consciousness, this leaves wide open the field of science fiction, as well as Physical-Digital realistic virtual earth for history iterations well beyond the year 3800 (loosely regarding the year 2038 and a possible Mars' voyage with people, and returning) ... (but I also think that this is already begun with Street View with time slider and the Omniverse, ...and Ishiguro's 'Klara and the Sun' Artificial Friends' (AF) Robot book (and am glad he as a person of color even wrote this).
Re
"Mysterianism lite"
Nature Neuroscience
Methinks both languages' brain modeling with information technologies (and thanks for the scouting) in a realistic virtual earth for Brain Science, as well as Film to 3D Apps at 1) Street View with time slider, Maps Earth TensorFlowAI Translate, 2) cell, & 3) molecule, levels
of the ....
"genes or brain areas that are associated with particular behaviors (think of fosB, ‘the gene for maternal behavior’, or the orbitofrontal cortex, ‘the brain's moral compass’)"
"activity in a cortical area called MT"
"brain activity leads to subjective experience"
"why the firing of MT neurons feels like visual motion, why dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens feels pleasurable, or why electrical stimulation of the anterior supplementary motor area feels amusing". ..
may be underway ... And integratable in 1 realistic virtual earth for STEM and with individuals' brains as part of their Avatar Bot Electronic Medical Records.... To inform our own Digital Twins and sentient AI Bots?
Scott MacLeod
(From the un- 'safe house' north of Berkeley and latent networks of the illegal drug and sex industries internationally and its latent networks of violence ... and maybe seeking asylum on the east coast or in Europe even after April 30th ... while waiting to hear back from the district 7 California state senator's office regarding the WUaS Corporation and Work World University and School and potentially with an Academic Medical Center with Warm Water Cure in Canyon 94516 ...)
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"The Mysterious Flame: Conscious Minds in a Material World" (1999)
by Colin McGinn, is a book regarding the new mysterianism (that consciousness may never be solved, and is inherently unsolvable).
It's also a symbol on the cover of this book for consciousness, and regarding the flames below in this 4/3/22 blog post.
PPS
Consciousness is potentially impossible to understand: how can something seemingly immaterial emerge from something material and neural like the 'meat' of the brain?
"A philosophical view known as ‘mysterianism’ holds that even though there is nothing supernatural about how consciousness arises from neural activity, the human brain is simply not equipped to understand it."
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- Scott GK MacLeod
Founder, President, CEO & Professor
World Univ & Sch (WUaS) - PO Box 442, Canyon, CA 94516
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com>
Fri, Apr 1, 7:32 AM (1 day ago)
to Jane
Ma,
Good morning, and good to talk. Heard from Jim Spohrer last night around 10 pm in a thread he called 'It's coming.' A bit cryptic, it refers in part to AI Bots coming, and which we had talked about in these emails - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2022/03/denali.html?m=0 - regarding the NVIDIA KEYNOTE TALK. Could it also refer to a house in Canyon on the ridge, this being the day I pay rent for the safe house' north of Berkeley regarding a 3rd lease agreement letter, month long this time?
Hoping your 'long day' and visiting the great quilting museum exhibit in Westmoreland county were good in retrospect. Long days seem better than 'long nights' (re potentially Canyon too) - and I thought I heard a little of Annie's western twang accent in your voice too.
Happy birthday tomorrow!
💕 Love,
Scott
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Ma,
Happy birthday before the symphony downtown tonight!
Seem like interesting exhibits ...
... But I can't visit them virtually yet in a realistic virtual earth for museums or at Work World University and School in any other way:)
And here you and Jean are, in a Pittsburgh PA museum ...
#RealisticVirtualEarthForMuseums (and check out this #HashTag for other Related Tweets :)
Have a lovely concert and birthday!
Love, Scott
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Founder, President, CEO & Professor
World Univ & Sch (WUaS) - PO Box 442, Canyon, CA 94516
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com>
Apr 1, 2022, 7:35 PM (1 day ago)
to Jane
Ma! How was the symphony? :) 3 emails and a phone call from Nancy Brazill, originally from Pittsburgh, today, and out of the blue ... Good sign perhaps regarding safe house' and the 3rd lease letter agreement north of Berkeley! (Could she know even John Hennessy?) She shared with me, as you may have read about, a law firm in Washington DC and their whistle blowing website! I followed up with an email to the district 7 California state senator's office regarding lock up and salvage house questions... And haven't heard back yet.
Love, Scott
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Sunday, April 3, 2022 in this email thread
Good morning, Ma (& All)!
How are you? And how did the Symphony Livestream concert with symphony musicians at your 'house' go? How was your birthday celebration?
As I wait to hear back from the district 7 California state senator's office regarding both State of California law and federal government legal process, possibly on Monday, I think I still need to prepare for heading back east with a U-HAUL truck as an alternative, re Canyon, and for safety questions, and abolition-ally too. While I think the letter on Friday, to the district 7 California state senator's office regarding this and the WUaS Corporation, could help the process along, I also think that moving back into Canyon again could be a complicated process.
I think I would head out east coast bound at the end of the month.
While at Pt. Lobos yesterday, Ed texted a few times, and we may head to a docent lead walk this weekend, I think that heading east, could be good to plan for in this upcoming week if I don't hear back from the district 7 California state senator's office regarding calling for abolishing the wrongful buying and selling of people too.
I think I would head for Boston or Providence RI initially, possibly. But it might make sense to follow up with Stanford and Alphabet/Google's John Hennessy, and lawyers Hank Greely and Roland Vogl, and Robert Harrington MD in these regards too.
Love, abolition-ally, staying alive and well, Scott
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PPS
And glad to have attended yesterday morning an India Google Educators' Group GEG, also in blog post, with the new for Work World University and School, information technology, called 'Google Currents,' which works with the IMPRESSIVE WUaS Google Workspace for Education . . . to possibly begin further growing WUaS, if Vishal Varia, who said he would engage WUaS, could even use this software, with its billing function too, to recruit students from India for WUaS degrees, as WUaS further works with Google itself to develop CC-4 licensed CSFirst withGoogle at WUaS'~ and CC-4
OCW.MIT.EDU -centric WUaS degrees.
'museums' ' label in daily blog -
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Questions about curious text messages
Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com> |
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Ma, Ed, Pin, Larry and All,
Happy birthday, a day after, Ma.
You text so infrequently, I'm writing to inquire if this was your text message yesterday:
"Tx. Loved your birthday wishes. Love, Ma"
And if it is, could you be referring too to my potentially getting a "x Yale Lock with Nest Connect" to interoperate with the Google Nest on Cuttyhunk in your house (installed last summer) already. Am seeking to stay alive and well in my calling for abolition of the illegal drug and sex industries internationally, and their latent networks of violence, and regarding Cuttyhunk house too. While a lease letter agreement for Cuttyhunk house users could be good too to protect yourself with the law and law enforcement, federal and state, behind you, it might also be a way to navigate possibly illegal management practices, and by Sandy and others. (I'm remembering Elliott Thurston is no longer going back to Cuttyhunk and speculatively because of illegal use of the 2 Thurston houses on Copicut Neck and the illegal sex industry internationally too). I realize there might be taxes or not, depending on if you are renting or not (and I'm seeking to get mine done today), but both a digital lock and leases could protect people (you, and I and possible renters - I don't think you've rented it in years - and possibly victims of the illegal sex industry too, for example).
Am seeking to continue to grow Work World University and School and with the WUaS Corporation, and in protecting people, kids, women, victims and in seeking too to code for all the people on planet, each a Wikidata Pin#.
Hoping your birthday was good, and that a X Yale Lock with Nest Connect might be another present for you:)
Love, Scott
Regarding one of your texts yesterday, Ed:
Ed,
This Hayao Miyazaki exhibit ended on Jan 1, 2022, and you texted me on April 2nd saying Brianna and you are in LA going to this museum exhibition or film -
HAYAO MIYAZAKI
Oct 5, 2021 - Jan 1, 2022
And, Ed, you uncharacteristically used the word 'love' in 2 other textings yesterday
In calling for abolition of the illegal drug and sex industries internationally, and either moving back east with a U-HAUL truck at the end of April, or possibly into a cleaned up Canyon 94516, with the help of John Hennessy, and lawyers Hank Greely and others, am wondering if you are doing well and getting out of the house or what's up. In reaching out to the district 7 California state senator's office regarding both State of California and federal government legal process, am wondering too how the governor of California (and you grew up in the same SF neighborhood, I think you said), law and law enforcement might help too.
Abolitionally and with regards,
SCOTT
Scott MacLeod - World University books
-- Poetry! Order Book #5 Light, Float, Sit, Watsu ~ Virtually
Scottish Small Piping album #1 Honey in the Bag ~ Out of the Air tune
Order Book #4 To the Dance or the Pools? ~ Virtually! How different it is to soak at Harbin Hot Springs, than to realize it in virtual reality
Order Book #3 Winding Road Rainbow: Harbin, Wandering & the Poetry of Loving Bliss
Order Book #2 Haiku-ish and Other Loving Hippie Harbin Poetry
Order Actual-Virtual Ethnographic Book #1: Naked Harbin Ethnography
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- Scott GK MacLeod
Founder, President, CEO & Professor
World Univ & Sch (WUaS) - PO Box 442, Canyon, CA 94516
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Just learned of the great for-organizations' #GoogleCurrents ... which could be a gift (on top of the Google Workspace for Education, formerly G Suite) for helping World Univ & Sch begin to grow!
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Founder, President, CEO & Professor
World Univ & Sch (WUaS) - PO Box 442, Canyon, CA 94516
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